O/C in Graded Cards

[atx840]

"Buy the card, not the slab"

[t206blogcom]

Originally Posted by atx840

"Buy the card, not the slab"

You beat me to it!

[itjclarke]

This looks like a very recent submission, so definitely within the era of PSA qualifiers. Regardless of anyone's subjective opinion.. or that old oft used slogan.. it looks like a PSA grader considered this card an unqualfied 8.

Personally, I wish all cards used something like the old BVG (or BGS?) system where there were 3 criteria and it gave you a number for each. It would be nice if a couple other things like image quality, registration, etc could be added to a similar stye system and be printed on the back of a flip... or maybe on a registry filed with a high resolution scan under each card's s/n.

[brewing]

I couldn't disagree more. Qualifiers are the biggest pile of horse s#%t when it comes to PSA. If its off centered, stained, miscut, or has a print defect, then grade accordingly. These are all things that detract from a cards' grade or condition. No different than creases or rounded corners. Where is the creases qualifier?

I'm fine with the grade of 8. It is at least 70/30.

Here is the standard from PSA
NM-MT 8: Near Mint-Mint
A PSA NM-MT 8 is a super high-end card that appears Mint 9 at first glance, but upon closer inspection, the card can exhibit the following: a very slight wax stain on reverse, slightest fraying at one or two corners, a minor printing imperfection, and/or slightly off-white borders. Centering must be approximately 65/35 to 70/30 or better on the front and 90/10 or better on the reverse.

[glynparson]

with the grade

[toledo_mudhen]

My experience has been that unloading a PSA 6 is much easier than moving a PSA 8 (OC) any day of the week. Since I only buy PSA slabs for resale to the kool aid drinkers - it works out for me.

Of course you can always eliminate the happy horsesh*t from PSA by simply changing the address on your submissions from Newport Beach, CA to Bound Brook, NJ

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

My experience has been that unloading a PSA 6 is much easier than moving a PSA 8 (OC) any day of the week. Since I only buy PSA slabs for resale to the kool aid drinkers - it works out for me.

Of course you can always eliminate the happy horsesh*t from PSA by simply changing the address on your submissions from Newport Beach, CA to Bound Brook, NJ

It seems most people are missing the point of my post. Right now, as you indicated, the same card could be determined to be an 8 with a qualifier or a 6 with no qualifiers. Most collectors seem to prefer the card without qualifiers, so clearly they would prefer that one.

My point is, wouldn't it have been a better and more honest system if the TPG's included obvious flaws like O/C on all cards from the beginning?? Eliminating the option of receiving a lesser grade if the card's flaws were completely ignored would give a consistency to the system that just doesn't exist in its current state. A card that's an 8, but off center, would always get an 8 O/C and a card that's a true 8 would get an 8. In other words, it would reflect the unbiased reality of the card in question.

The Clemente I posted here is just one quick example. It's obviously off centered both ways - top to bottom and side to side - yet there's no mention of it anywhere. It's too late to put the Genie back in the bottle, but I think it would've been a much better and realistic system if they noted all qualifiers on the label without allowing you to opt your card out for a lower number grade.

[pepis]

Originally Posted by atx840

"Buy the card, not the slab"

The overwhelming majority of buyers are investors registry chasers and people
that think they have knowledge, will always buy the slab 1st! true collectors,
(and there is some here) still buy ungraded cards,
as for the qualifiers in slabs, it remains the dumbest thing that a grading company could have!! however PSA is the top grading company and they
don't even judge & grade cards by there true integrity, go figure.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by pepis

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as for the qualifiers in slabs, it remains the dumbest thing that a grading company could have!! ...

Removing qualifiers for OC is somewhat persuasive to me although I don't completely agree. However, how about the qualifier for MK (marks)? Many marks on cards are not nearly so obvious.