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vintagetoppsguy · #1 08-22-2013, 03:27 PM

Same buyer as the two '34 Gehrigs - eBay member gpark73

I'll repeat what I said in the Gehrig thread, "I'm sorry, but anybody that can look at a thread like this and still submit cards to PSA has absolutely no moral conscience."

And then there's Probstein, right in the middle of it all. This is like the Art Shell thread all over again.

barrysloate · #2 08-22-2013, 03:31 PM

How does Probstein get these huge bumps in grades? We're not talking half a grade bump, but more like one and a half to two grades. And he gets them often.

jhs5120 · #3 08-22-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

How does Probstein get these huge bumps in grades? We're not talking half a grade bump, but more like one and a half to two grades. And he gets them often.

Probstein isn't the one getting the bumps..

conor912 · #4 08-22-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by barrysloate

How does Probstein get these huge bumps in grades? We're not talking half a grade bump, but more like one and a half to two grades. And he gets them often.

It's no secret that those who submit often and in bulk ALLEGEDLY get preferential grades. It is, in essence, keeping the customer happy and good for the bottom line, which is what capitalism is all about.

That said, the line/scuff on the back certainly got worked on, albeit not very successfully. Also, it's impossible to tell if it's the card or just the scan, but the surface has definitely been "scrubbed". Look at the first scan at all of those tiny little red ink scuffs in the white area on the left side and how they're not there on the 8.5. I would assume because of the grade bump, that the alteration is to the card and not the scan, but like I said, impossible to tell without it in hand.
Plus the white dots on his right thigh and upper right glove have vanished.

ullmandds · #5 08-22-2013, 04:19 PM

From what I've seen...and experienced...if you have a card with a defect(condition, alteration, etc)...you will more often than not get a higher grade with PSA. I believe this to be fact!

So who is to blame...the submitter? The grading company? Or the buyer for continuing to pay higher prices for subpar cards in PSA holders?

travrosty · #6 08-22-2013, 05:32 PM

The grading company, they are suppose to detect alterations, it's their job and it's what they claim to be able to do, so they need to do it or don't claim it anymore.

DixieBaseball · #7 08-22-2013, 05:36 PM

I have crossed over about 15-20 cards over the years and I have never been the benefactor of a grade bump that I recall. In fact, of the 20+ cards or so I have cracked out of holder's and submitted raw, about 25% of them have gone up a grade. Perfect example is at the National I submit 3 graded pre-war cards to PSA and all 3 come back a half a grade lower. As a "small guy" I would highly recommend you submit raw if you look for a bump. For me, I put certain pre-war cards in SGC and PSA holder's for different reasons and I leave some raw for various reasons. I do believe the folks submitting in bulk get preferential treatment and there is absolutely no consistency in the industry. I prefer raw, but do put certain types in holders for protection/presentation reasons.

Rollingstone206 · #8 08-22-2013, 05:42 PM

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D.P.Johnson · #9 08-22-2013, 05:52 PM

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who the buyer is (gpark73) even if Rick won't divulge the information. I mean, if someone contacts one of the other sellers he's purchased from, they'll probably give up the person's contact information...

Just sayin'....

vintagetoppsguy · #10 08-22-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by D.P.Johnson

It shouldn't be too hard to figure out who the buyer is (gpark73) even if Rick won't divulge the information.

I dont know who he is, but I think the OP may have some information that he's holding back until the time is right. I do know this, gpark73 is from New Jersey. Let's see, who else is from New Jersey?

Funny how Probstein sells all these cards, they magically get bumps and then re-appear back in his auctions. Hmmmm....

packs · #11 08-22-2013, 03:33 PM

Card has 3 stains on the back of it but got bumped a full grade and a half.

t206hound · #12 08-22-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

Card has 3 stains on the back of it but got bumped a full grade and a half.

wow! and $1000 more.

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