Over/Underpriced HOFers

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by packs

I've always thought most of the Old Judge HOFers cards are over priced. I get it, for most of them its their only card and it's cool that there's a photo of the actual player on the card. But there are so many of them out there for a lot of them.

I realize this has a lot to do with what people view as tough/scarce/rare, but I disagree with this statement.

Our own cyseymour did an analysis back in 2011 of the number of combined graded examples (PSA and SGC) of the OJ HOFers.

At that time, he found that the total graded examples ranged from a low of 19 examples (W. Robinson) to a high of 113 (Ward). However, 15 out of the 27 (as of 2011) had less than 50 combined graded examples per player.

Of course I know that OJs are known to have a larger-than-normal ungraded population with large collections held by old-school collectors.

But the graded numbers certainly don't reveal easy cards...especially for the tougher 15 HOFers.

Cheers,
Blair

[packs]

I"m mainly talking about players like Clarkson, Keefe and Brouthers. There seem to be a lot of them out there at any given time. Not that "a lot" for OJs means the same a lot for T206s, but some of them don't seem scarce.

[cyseymour]

Clarkson and Keefe were the two best pitchers of their era. Brouthers was the greatest hitter of that time period. You can get their low-grade OJ's with decent images for sub-$1000. I don't think they hold much investment potential, but its hard to see their prices dropping too much, either.

[billyb]

Undervalued, I have just one.....Jim Bunning

One hundred game winner in both American and Nathional League, and always in leaders in Ks. Durable, and professional.
Afterwards, entered politics and represented Kentucky proudly from 1987 to 2010. Wish I had all his stats in front of me, but I am sure you are all aware of his accomplishments after baseball.
Let's give the gentleman from Kentucky, appraise.

[packs]

A guy I think is undervalued is Sam Crawford. His cards are cheap despite him being the first home run king of each league and his astounding amount of triples. Over shadowed by Cobb, but what a hitter (39 hits short of 3,000).

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by packs

A guy I think is undervalued is Sam Crawford. His cards are cheap despite him being the first home run king of each league and his astounding amount of triples. Over shadowed by Cobb, but what a hitter (39 hits short of 3,000).

+1 !!!

Cheers,
Blair

[39special]

Originally Posted by billyb

Undervalued, I have just one.....Jim Bunning

One hundred game winner in both American and Nathional League, and always in leaders in Ks. Durable, and professional.
Afterwards, entered politics and represented Kentucky proudly from 1987 to 2010. Wish I had all his stats in front of me, but I am sure you are all aware of his accomplishments after baseball.
Let's give the gentleman from Kentucky, appraise.

+1 He also pitched no hitters in both leagues '58 with Detroit and '64 with Phila.,
a perfect game.Also a 9x all star.

[Joe_G.]

Originally Posted by Bosox Blair

Our own cyseymour did an analysis back in 2011 of the number of combined graded examples (PSA and SGC) of the OJ HOFers.

At that time, he found that the total graded examples ranged from a low of 19 examples (W. Robinson) to a high of 113 (Ward). However, 15 out of the 27 (as of 2011) had less than 50 combined graded examples per player.

Cheers,
Blair

Blair or Jamie, do you have a link to this? I've posted SGC and PSA pop reports on N172 HOFers a couple times and have interest in the topic but don't remember others doing so (although I could have missed it).

Old Cardboard summarized one of my earlier posts from the old Net54 forum back in 2005 (here). shortly after 2005 I stopped including PSA in my summaries because their numbers seemed to be in error (players would all of a sudden gain or lose a substantial number of submissions). SGC has also graded far more cards so I just stick with SGC.

I more recently looked at the HOFer pop reports after Deacon White was elected. It was no big surprise when I found Deacon to be the rarest HOFer (8 cards graded with no population increase since it was announced last year - December 2012). As for most common, that distinction belongs with Keefe (over 100 graded when including his two player cards with Richardson). Keefe has a pretty healthy lead over Ward for the most common HOFer.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Blair or Jamie, do you have a link to this? I've posted SGC and PSA pop reports on N172 HOFers a couple times and have interest in the topic but don't remember others doing so (although I could have missed it).

I'll PM anyone who cares to have the link, but will keep it off this board out of respect to Leon.

Thanks

[Bosox Blair]

Originally Posted by Joe_G.

Blair or Jamie, do you have a link to this? I've posted SGC and PSA pop reports on N172 HOFers a couple times and have interest in the topic but don't remember others doing so (although I could have missed it).

Old Cardboard summarized one of my earlier posts from the old Net54 forum back in 2005 (here). shortly after 2005 I stopped including PSA in my summaries because their numbers seemed to be in error (players would all of a sudden gain or lose a substantial number of submissions). SGC has also graded far more cards so I just stick with SGC.

I more recently looked at the HOFer pop reports after Deacon White was elected. It was no big surprise when I found Deacon to be the rarest HOFer (8 cards graded with no population increase since it was announced last year - December 2012). As for most common, that distinction belongs with Keefe (over 100 graded when including his two player cards with Richardson). Keefe has a pretty healthy lead over Ward for the most common HOFer.

Hi Joe,

It would be great to see your most recent findings on this (even though we all appreciate that pop reports have their inaccuracies!) Maybe a new thread?

Cheers,
Blair