what a joke

[thehoodedcoder]

i'm half tempted to ask, the unthinkable.

do you think that the buyer even knew what he was buying?

is that possible as well? i don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

kevin

[danmckee]

PWCC has no clue about pre war baseball cards. That brown old mill hit him in the face and he lost $15K for his consigner. Embarrassing!

Kevin Mize - I missed you at the National,

Please feel free to introduce yourself at any show I am set up.

BMW knows better, their mother irishhosta is posting a faded black Old Mill.

Dan Mckee

[Cardboard Junkie]

No pussyfootin around with Dan.....I admire that! Dave.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by Cardboard Junkie

No pussyfootin around with Dan.....I admire that! Dave.

You called that Dave, I call it how I see it! Take Care, dan

[MW1]

The card advertised for sale is exactly as described--a shade of color between black and brown.

That's incorrect, Dan. I've been in the hobby for quite a few years and after the many millions of cards I've seen, I can emphatically state that the back of the Old Mill is not faded. Of that much, I am certain. The T206 in question came from an original collection which contained other, tough front-back combinations. None of the cards in the collection were faded or possessed unusual or significant elements of environmental degradation.

The card advertised for sale is exactly as described--a shade of color between black and brown.

[danmckee]

I respect you Mike, we have had very good dealings in the past, but that isn't even close to a brown Old Mill. Sorry my friend, you are dreaming on this one unless the scan is terribly bad. I own 2 brown old mills and 1 is labeled brown by SGC.

I would stake my life (though not worth much) that your card is not even close to a brown Old Mill.

That being said, you and your brother are still long time friends of mine.

Dan Mckee

[MW1]

Originally Posted by danmckee

I respect you Mike, we have had very good dealings in the past, but that isn't even close to a brown Old Mill. Sorry my friend, you are dreaming on this one unless the scan is terribly bad. I own 2 brown old mills and 1 is labeled brown by SGC.

I would stake my life (though not worth much) that your card is not even close to a brown Old Mill.

That being said, you and your brother are still long time friends of mine.

Dan Mckee

I'm not claiming it's a Brown Old Mill, Dan. Read the description.

[danmckee]

ok I see we are splitting hairs here, I re-read the description. You win. I have been on this squirrel board too long tonight anyway.

take care and good luck with your card

Dan Mckee

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by danmckee

BMW knows better, their mother irishhosta is posting a faded black Old Mill.Dan Mckee

Agree 100% faded standard Old Mill, regardless of the write ups.

As for the other card the buyer is a friend and knew all too well what he was buying. He got an amazing deal and took a gamble on a mislabeled card good for him.

Cheers,

John

[thehoodedcoder]

some how this thread transformed from its original goal. it was a great detour though.

back on topic...

who wrote the original description if it was not you? and who wrote the response on ebay? your replies lead me to believe it was in fact you.

please address this question.

kevin

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

As for the other card the buyer is a friend and knew all too well what he was buying. He got an amazing deal and took a gamble on a mislabeled card good for him.

Cheers,

John

Any chance he'd share his approximate (+/- 10%) max bid.. or better yet, his precise max bid?

I'm not really a back collector and would never have been looking for this, so it doesn't sting too much... but strangly it does sting a little. I'm guessing he was prepared to go much higher, so if I, or anyone else were to know we'd have needed to bid several thousand higher, it may feel a little better.

Regardless, good on your friend.

[wonkaticket]

This kind of stuff is good for the hobby every now and then IMO.

Keeps us on our feet, dreaming, hoping and engaged in the search. As painful as it may be for the seller it's good to know that in this hobby filled with hype, mucho ads and talk of SMR's that great items and deals can still be found with a little digging and sometimes a lot of luck.

It shouldn't sting it should be refreshing but that's just my take.

As for the deatils of the purchase the buyer is a humble and nice guy Ill let him share the details should he decide too.

Cheers,

John

P.S. I was told by him today that when I said it was $51.55 there was close to $4 in shipping I didn't take into account.

[itjclarke]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

It shouldn't sting it should be refreshing but that's just my take.

As for the deatils of the purchase the buyer is a humble and nice guy Ill let him share the details should he decide too.

Fair enough. It is cool, and amazing for your friend. Especially cool when it was a high profile seller, selling cards from a high profile set and it still slipped through. "Sting" may be the wrong word, especially since I wasn't looking for this type card/back. There are other cards I've missed out on, where the "deal" was $50, $100, $200 that stung a lot more because I was actively searching, even watching and for whatever reason missed out at auctions' end, or eBay's mobile site's timer was 5 seconds off, etc.

I am still curious to know what he bid.. but at the same time, I guess the mystery adds to the coolness.

[barrysloate]

"It shouldn't sting it should be refreshing...."

If I were the consignor and found out, it would sting a whole lot.

[CMIZ5290]

Originally Posted by danmckee

PWCC has no clue about pre war baseball cards. That brown old mill hit him in the face and he lost $15K for his consigner. Embarrassing!

Kevin Mize - I missed you at the National, you said I was just a computer tough guy and that you would see Scott Forest at the National, yet I was there for 5 days and hungout with Scott and never met you????

Please feel free to introduce yourself at any show I am set up at, I would truly love to meet the person that sabbotaged 21 of my ebay auctions with a bogus ebay ID.

BMW knows better, their mother irishhosta is posting a faded black Old Mill.

Dan Mckee

Danny boy- first of all, I have nothing but respect for Scott Forrest, great guy. He is nothing at all like you, obnoxious, arrogant, disgusting, and incredibly crude (your good points). You can dish it out, but you damn sure can't take it. It's funny how some people on this board find you somewhat humorous, but deep down they have to wonder, "what in the hell is this guy so miserable about?" By the way, no need to sabotage your Ebay auctions, I only placed a bid on one, just one mind you, and your response was "get a f***ing life you asshole, I get sick and tired of you MFers" Anytime you want to meet me, let me know pal....Oh, by the way, have a nice day....

[thehoodedcoder]

I was trying hard to refrain from posting a negative comment but quite honestly, I have this stupid trait where I'm a straight shooter and I don't hold back on what I think. The comment was dick. This is now like the 3rd time I think, that my thread has been wrecked by the two of you going at it. I believe Dan instigated all of them but I'm honestly not sure.

You show up, make a bunch of worthless comments against the entire community of people and then disappear? Get a life guy.

I have actually removed half of what I was going to say after typing it out, because quite honestly its just not worth the flood of single sentance PMs you are about to send me. The attack mentality doesn't mean you win an argument that doesn't exist.

Leon, can we setup a section on the board for people to put on the punching gloves or something?

Kevin

[Runscott]

No matter what they say about each other, they are both nice guys. I'm sure they will bury the hatchet when they meet. But I would encourage each to wear chain mail, just in case.

[thehoodedcoder]

What constitutes being a good guy? Being fair in a deal, treating people with respect?

Maybe they are different people in person?

I guess it would be good at this point to understand this whole thing, so someone please explain it.

Kevin

[Cardboard Junkie]

This ought to clear things up......https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxtN0xxzfsw

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

What constitutes being a good guy? Being fair in a deal, treating people with respect?

Maybe they are different people in person?

I guess it would be good at this point to understand this whole thing, so someone please explain it.

Kevin

Kevin, I don't think I've ever met you in person or talked with you on the phone. Perhaps you are the exact image of your internet persona. If so, there aren't many people like you, but I applaud you for successfully pulling that off.

Despite what Kevin and Dan might say, they are not the same in person as they are on the internet. Hopefully I'm not either.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

I guess it would be good at this point to understand this whole thing, so someone please explain it.Kevin

Kevin, since you ask this goes back to Dan having an SGC 84 Ryan on eBay awhile back that Kevin wanted. Kevin sent what he said was "granted a low ball offer" then Dan in very direct terms told him to pound sand.

Then Kevin started a thread below claiming that Dan was selling trimmed cards and proceeded to rag the very card he tried to buy. The thread then backfired on Kevin as lots of folks said the card didn't look trimmed to them. After the thread went south Kevin asked to have the whole thing deleted here it is.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...ighlight=Kevin

Since I was one of the folks who was on Dan's side on this card and supported Dan. Kevin now has beef with me also. From PM's, demands to call him, snide shots, announcments to me via PM that he is "one of the top 5 T206 collectors around" etc. how dare I question him....the usual stuff.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=163953&page=2

More classic Kevin Mize...

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=162343&page=3

That's about the sum of the drama.

[danmckee]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

i'm half tempted to ask, the unthinkable.

do you think that the buyer even knew what he was buying?

is that possible as well? i don't think it is out of the realm of possibility.

kevin

The buyer of the brown Old Mill has forgotten more than most of you zeros will ever know, he knew exactly what he was doing and stole a $15K card.

Comical just like this board!

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by danmckee

The buyer of the brown Old Mill has forgotten more than most of you zeros will ever know

Originally Posted by danmckee

Comical just like this board!

Originally Posted by danmckee

I have been on this squirrel board too long

Over 1k posts, you sure like to put down the people you hang out with.

[scottglevy]

The thing that I find most amusing about the second card is the fact that at least a dozen of the folks on here can't believe that they missed an opportunity to pick up a brown OM at under 10k. It's amazing that all these "pros" - I'll include myself in that category - simply overlooked such an important rareback.

[the 'stache]

Originally Posted by tiger8mush

Over 1k posts, you sure like to put down the people you hang out with.

He's slumming with us zeros.