Memory Lane auctions

[botn]

Originally Posted by Leon

Because, speaking for myself, even though what JP did outside of the hobby seems pretty bad when reading everything, I have spent quite a bit of time talking to him in the past few years. I don't get bad vibes or a bad gut feeling. I get a feeling of a hobbyist that cares about the hobby and is a positive influence in it. I think he is a good guy that made some mistakes. I tend to give folks a second chance once they have paid their dues. Others won't be as forgiving and I understand that too. We each have to live our lives the way we see fit. I try to focus on positive and learn from the mistakes I have made. I see that in JP too.

Not to argue, but Leon I have heard you say/write "I get a feeling of a hobbyist that cares about the hobby and is a positive influence in it." about everyone in the hobby. Anyway, not sure how many deals you have done with him outside of buying a card in his auction and having him ship it to you. It took just one for me about 6 or 7 years ago to see a very greedy, unethical person who has only his best interest--the same type of qualities it would take to be part of ripping off innocent people for $50,000,000. I have no idea if he runs his auction business above board but when I see those type of qualities in a person that seem to be who they are, I think I prefer to stay clear, regardless of how much sweet talking they would do to show how much they care.

Getting the cards recerted so they cannot be traced when being relisted in a future auction does not bother you? So, hypothetically speaking, where do you stand on say...money laundering?

[Leon]

Originally Posted by botn

Not to argue, but Leon I have heard you say/write "I get a feeling of a hobbyist that cares about the hobby and is a positive influence in it." about everyone in the hobby. Anyway, not sure how many deals you have done with him outside of buying a card in his auction and having him ship it to you. It took just one for me about 6 or 7 years ago to see a very greedy, unethical person who has only his best interest--the same type of qualities it would take to be part of ripping off innocent people for $50,000,000. I have no idea if he runs his auction business above board but when I see those type of qualities in a person that seem to be who they are, I think I prefer to stay clear, regardless of how much sweet talking they would do to show how much they care.

Getting the cards recerted so they cannot be traced when being relisted in a future auction does not bother you? So, hypothetically speaking, where do you stand on say...money laundering?

Greg, I am vaguely aware of you having an issue with JP 6-7 yrs ago. Even on that issue there were probably 2 sides to the story. You can stay clear of anyone you want to, that is how life works, of course. As for the recert of a card, from what I remember that was a mistake...and maybe more on PSA's side than his, but I don't remember all of the specifics even though I know a thread has been referenced. I am not going back to read that whole debacle again. I am against any wrongdoing, including money laundering.

I will continue to support Memory Lane and JP until such time that he proves unworthy of my support. I don't see that happening. And, no he isn't an advertiser and I doubt he would ever advertise here...but if he wanted to I would let him.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Depending on what you care about, whether an auction house will ship you the card you won and paid for may not be the only issue. At least one guy I know cares whether an auction house is engaged in shill bidding, letting consignors win back their own cards for no fee while showing a sale, etc. Others may care whether an auction house is offering cards from collectors and ethical dealers, or is running lots of card doctor inventory. Since the latter two issues are not transparent, trust and character may be relevant.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Depending on what you care about, whether an auction house will ship you the card you won and paid for may not be the only issue. At least one guy I know cares whether an auction house is engaged in shill bidding, letting consignors win back their own cards for no fee while showing a sale, etc. Others may care whether an auction house is offering cards from collectors and ethical dealers, or is running lots of card doctor inventory. Since the latter two issues are not transparent, trust and character may be relevant.

Trust and character are always relevant. And yes, doing anything unethical or fraudulent is bad. I think we might know of the same person that is interested in those things in the hobby. I tell him everything I know, all of the time. I saw him last week and speak with him fairly frequently. If anyone is doing bad stuff in the hobby I am almost the last person they want to be associated with.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Depending on what you care about, whether an auction house will ship you the card you won and paid for may not be the only issue. At least one guy I know cares whether an auction house is engaged in shill bidding, letting consignors win back their own cards for no fee while showing a sale, etc. Others may care whether an auction house is offering cards from collectors and ethical dealers, or is running lots of card doctor inventory. Since the latter two issues are not transparent, trust and character may be relevant.

Great points, Peter. I use what I know or have learned about a person to make a decision about whether or not they can be trusted or how much I can trust them. Seems silly to disregard information that is provided but we all live our lives the way we see fit. Where there is smoke there is fire. If you do not want to see the smoke then you can get burned in the fire.

[botn]

Originally Posted by Leon

Greg, I am vaguely aware of you having an issue with JP 6-7 yrs ago. Even on that issue there were probably 2 sides to the story. You can stay clear of anyone you want to, that is how life works, of course. As for the recert of a card, from what I remember that was a mistake...and maybe more on PSA's side than his, but I don't remember all of the specifics even though I know a thread has been referenced. I am not going back to read that whole debacle again. I am against any wrongdoing, including money laundering.

I will continue to support Memory Lane and JP until such time that he proves unworthy of my support. I don't see that happening. And, no he isn't an advertiser and I doubt he would ever advertise here...but if he wanted to I would let him.

And apparently you choose to see what you want to. You do not know the details of what transpired between me and JP (not that it is relevant) but you can confidently say there are two sides, you do not recall the details of the recerting but call it a mistake. Sounds to me like JP will never have a chance to prove he is unworthy of your support. Very lucky for him.