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Old 08-06-2013, 08:13 AM
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Wink variants

Different folks define the term variation in different ways, and in my view none are wrong. I like the term variant to describe cards that differ in some respect from each other, whether by design or accident.

I tend to view a variation as a card that was intentionally changed ( 59 trade/option versus not, or 59 Spahn DOBs, or 52 red versus black backs). Sometimes such changes occur from an intentional change in the print process ( 62 greenies ). Sometimes multiple changes are made to get a card right ( 66 Landrum, 69 Popovich, 89 Fleer Ripken)

I collect variants of interest to me, or the hobby in general, and posted some earlier in this thread. I think I have all variations listed for Topps in the Standard Catalog. But I have collected many variants not in the book, including this blue Aaron

But I agree with Doug, who also has one, that it is unintentional printing error, and I view my 58 Herrer , 57 Bakep, 3 different 59 H Sullivans, 4 different 52 Campos cards as similar print defects and not "true" variations.
But they all have historical hobby recognition as variations in the hobby.

With the internet and ebay, it is now clear there are hundreds of such print defects in virtually every major baseball set ...and new ones turn up everyday....many more distinctive and interesting than those above. But they have little or no hobby recognition or interest

Recently George Vrechek has written articles on DP printing /cropping differences in several 1963 and 1956 cards. Such differences in the DP 52 mantle. Robinson and Thompson were listed as variations in the last editions of SCD

I have come to not worry whether they are print defects or variations. They are variants and if they have hobby recognition or are interesting to me, I collect them. But their value is determined by hobby recognition as evidenced by the ridiculous run up in value of the 61 Topps Fairly with the green smudge in the bottom of the baseball on the back after PSA include it as a variation in it;s Registry master list ( But I confess I have one of those too )

If you do a search for Topps Variations or Errors on ebay it is obvious that there are numerous recurring and unreported print/color defects or differences/variants in every Topps set, at least through 1994 when I stopped trying to accumulate any that were not catalogged. The internet and ebay have greatly facilitated both finding and sharing print oddities over what was the case earlier in the hobby


Nice to meet another variations collector Allen








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Old 08-06-2013, 02:04 PM
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Wow Al those are some nice cards. I really like your print offset cards.

Here is a pic of my Ted Williams with the missing yellow and a Willie Mays also missing the yellow.



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Old 01-08-2015, 03:40 AM
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In May of 2014, the 1st known graded variant of the 1958 Aaron , "BLUE BACKGROUND" that listed the ERROR, (Graded with Variation listed as, "MISSING YELLOW INK") card sold on the public market! A NR MT +, (6.5) example, bar code log # 0008046099, being the 1st to set a president as a collectors error variation. Pictured below is the long awaited arrival of the newest addition of the industry's officially recognized variation to the 1958 Topps MLB set! Thanks Beckett, for being the 1st in the industry to recognize this cool version as a rare collectible within this set! Congrats to all of those that have secured one of these '58 Aaron Blue background cards!

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-ca...#1126011260992

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In May of 2014, the 1st known graded variant of the 1958 Aaron , "BLUE BACKGROUND" that listed the ERROR, (Graded with Variation listed as, "MISSING YELLOW INK") card sold on the public market! A NR MT +, (6.5) example, bar code log # 0008046099, being the 1st to set a president as a collectors error variation. Pictured below is the long awaited arrival of the newest addition of the industry's officially recognized variation to the 1958 Topps MLB set! Thanks Beckett, for being the 1st in the industry to recognize this cool version as a rare collectible within this set! Congrats to all of those that have secured one of these '58 Aaron Blue background cards!

http://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball-ca...#1126011260992

...it was never about the bubble gum
This is a bad move because the blue background can be replicated in 2015.

I'm skeptical of any Topps card that had green coloring and is now blue.
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Awesome! I'm going to quick buy a few green background Aarons' before they become the SP.
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Old 01-08-2015, 07:16 AM
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Although I have one, I agree with Brent that one will never know if a blue Aaron is an actual unintended recurring manufacture print defect ( which many would say should not qualify as a variation in any event), or a unintentional or intentional creation by light damage. The fact there are not a lot of other blue background cards ( from the same sheet... I know some have surfaced), also is a red flag to me.

Maybe I should submit this one now


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