1921 Holsum Bread

[ValKehl]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

Nice card Val. Yours is the same Type back as Kenny's--note the wide space between the "H." and the "Weil" (compare to the Pinch Thomas card I posted above, as well as the Deal and the Sisler too).

Todd, thanks for the insight. So, am I correct in thinking there are 4 different back combinations - i.e., the wide vs. small space between the "H." and the "Weil" along with top-to-bottom read vs. the bottom-to-top read?
Val

[buymycards]

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Leon, I just noticed that your card isn't listed on the SGC pop report. That is kind of strange. Also, it is a 1920, not a 1921.

Also, Scott's card is the only 1920 card listed on the SGC pop report. Am I crazy or is this a 1921 card?

Also, Todd's Bancroft card has a 1920 back, but the front says "Nationals", rather than the team name. Rhett's article in OCB says that the 1920's have team nicknames, and the 1921's say either "Americans" or "Nationals", but this card seems to break that rule.


Rick

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by buymycards

More Holsum stuff -


Leon, I just noticed that your card isn't listed on the SGC pop report. That is kind of strange. Also, it is a 1920, not a 1921.

Also, Scott's card is the only 1920 card listed on the SGC pop report. Am I crazy or is this a 1921 card?

Also, Todd's Bancroft card has a 1920 back, but the front says "Nationals", rather than the team name. Rhett's article in OCB says that the 1920's have team nicknames, and the 1921's say either "Americans" or "Nationals", but this card seems to break that rule.


Rick

-Leon's is in fact a 1920 card.

-Scott's Sisler is the 1921 version.

-Not all cards follow a neat pattern when it comes to the team nicknames, most teams are simply "Americans" or "Nationals" but many (only type Type 1's from what I have seen) have the specific team nickname listed, also seen most commonly with the Chicago cards having "Cubs" or "White Sox" listed, (I didn't mean to imply anything else in the article if it comes across that way).

[rhettyeakley]

I was just looking at my spreadsheet for the "Known" Type 1's (at least known to me) and I don't think I ever realized that the only teams I have down in Type 1 that have the specific team nicknames are for Chicago ("Cubs" and "White Sox") and St Louis ("Browns" and "Cardinals"). I'm not saying there will never be any teams found with their nicknames, only that I haven't seen them, the other Type 1's I have documented say "Americans" or "Nationals" only, interesting.

[h2oya311]

Here's my Holsum...I believe this card is uncatalogued in the SCD Guide, although I have seen it checklisted elsewhere online.

I like that the front is technically like the 1917 E135 issue and not the 1921 E121 issue. I say this for two reasons: (1) His name is spelled correctly "Heilmann" vs. "Heilman" and (2) the position shows "1st B." and not "R.F."

[Leon]

Originally Posted by buymycards

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Leon, I just noticed that your card isn't listed on the SGC pop report. That is kind of strange. Also, it is a 1920, not a 1921.

Also, Scott's card is the only 1920 card listed on the SGC pop report. Am I crazy or is this a 1921 card?

Also, Todd's Bancroft card has a 1920 back, but the front says "Nationals", rather than the team name. Rhett's article in OCB says that the 1920's have team nicknames, and the 1921's say either "Americans" or "Nationals", but this card seems to break that rule.


Rick

I think mine was graded a long time ago. That is probably the reason it's not listed, if it isn't.