Tim Hudson a HOFer?

[packs]

I wouldn't discount Mulder. You talk about him like he was nothing. Between 2001 and 2005 he was 88 - 40 with a 162 game average season of 20 - 9 with 6 complete game and 3 shutouts. Not sure what you mean by Mark Flippin' Mulder. He just didn't have the health. He had all of the gifts.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by packs

I wouldn't discount Mulder. You talk about him like he was nothing. Between 2001 and 2005 he was 88 - 40 with a 162 game average season of 20 - 9 with 6 complete game and 3 shutouts. Not sure what you mean by Mark Flippin' Mulder. He just didn't have the health. He had all of the gifts.

Mulder was a very good pitcher--that's it. He was inconsistent--his lifetime ERA was well over 4.00. My point is that your reference to Hudson having some sort of special numbers is softened by his own teammate having the same or better numbers. Heck, an argument can be made that there were times when Hudson wasn't even the SECOND best pitcher on his own team--such as when Zito won the Cy in 2002.

As you lower the bar by continually praising those who are further and further away from the Hall you yourself start to make the argument against Hudson, IMO.

[packs]

I was simply saying that comparing him to Mulder doesn't hurt Hudson. Mulder was a great pitcher when healthy. It would be like saying someone wasn't a great pitcher because they compare to JR Richard.

[nolemmings]

You keep on making your comparisons then--suit yourself. BTW, CC Sabathia has never had a losing season either. CC in his first 10 years had 30 CG and 11 shutouts--all in the American League, and has 90 more wins than losses. Is he a HOFer? Not through those numbers, impressive as they are. Yet I believe a stronger case can be made for him than Hudson.

[novakjr]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

You keep on making your comparisons then--suit yourself. BTW, CC Sabathia has never had a losing season either. CC in his first 10 years had 30 CG and 11 shutouts--all in the American League, and has 90 more wins than losses. Is he a HOFer? Not through those numbers, impressive as they are. Yet I believe a stronger case can be made for him than Hudson.

Yeah, I think I saw someone pull out a trivia question a while back about pitchers who had NEVER had a .500 or lower season(only counting seasons in which they recorded a decision).. There was some oddball old-timer who was the only correct answer(can't remember who though)... CC and Hudson were the only current players who qualified. Pettitte had a 14-14 season, so he didn't qualify as a potential answer(he's also sub .500 so far this year). Hudson is 8-7 right now, so if he were to retire he would qualify as the 2nd answer to that question...

As far as HOF for Hudson.. I'm thinking probably no. I'm not opposed to him, or anything, but I just don't think he gets in..