What PSA/DNA and Heritage auctions are doing to our beloved boxing hobby!

[toybulldog]

Why did they pass on certifying a Joe Choynski autograph on two separate ocassions last year for the same auction house, again citing a lack of exemplars, when they had previously certed a Joe Choynski that went to another auction at an earlier date? They must have HAD Choynski exemplars, but then lost them? I don't get it? Did the Choynski exemplars burn up they no longer had them?

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7065&lotNo=82803

http://sports.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=7065&lotNo=81202

but then oops, here is a choynski they previously certed. with the same no exemplars, I must assume?

http://catalog.scpauctions.com/lot-8717.aspx

Good catch, it seems your evidence based post shows PSA/DNA doesn't perform the service they claim they are performing here. Their statement from the PSA website is not accurate:


And their claim of an "autograph authentication process"?


So if there were no exemplars for the SCP Choynski how could there be an "autograph authentication process"? Where is the integrity in that?

Was this a gift authentication with absolutely no knowledge of the subject's autograph or handwriting?

[travrosty]

exactly, that is why there are these questions that need to be answered. where is joe o. or steve grad to answer them? they know, but they won't speak. What defense could they give anyway.

how could a joe choynski autograph be certed, and then later a choynski being passed over by a cliam of no exemplars. They must not have did what the coa said and compare autographs to exemplars they have encountered during their careers.


were they gifts with no exemplars to be found, or did they suddenly "find religion" and figure out they might need some exemplars to start certing these autographs. Certainly the sayers was certed, but did they have exemplars? Where is the Sayers exemplar? all the collectors combined sharing exemplars for decades cant come up with a sayers, but psa has 'em. Where. if they don't then why isn't it fraud to issue a cert for a sayers with no exemplars when they say they only issue certs by comparing autographs to exemplars?

[travrosty]

When they asked me to join as a consultant, and look at boxing autographs with them, they told me in a correspondence. "We need help with boxing"

If they need help with it, why are they currently doing it. I still don't see anyone on their list that is a boxing guy.

Does that sound like the WORLD'S experts to anybody? The whole world over there is nobody better at boxing autographs than them because they are the whole worlds experts at it?

[toybulldog]

Speaking of gifts, this one as atrocious as the exposed Rocky Marciano. An alleged autograph of heavyweight champion Jim Corbett. The photograph is merely labeled "Jim Corbett age 10" in another hand but has been auctioned off as a later signature by Corbett himself. In case you're finding it hard to decipher' "Jim" is at top left with "Corbett" underneath. "age" at top right with "10" below.



Would like to invite this PSA/DNA company to come on here and share just a few consistent exemplars that would help support the legitimacy of this pre-certified Jim Corbett autograph.

Does our evidence point to a legitimate Jim Corbett autograph or a bogus pre-certification to add false value to a non-authentic item?

[travrosty]

It's absolutely ridiculous to call that a Corbett signature, but again, Steve Grad, the king of the boxing authenticators, gives it a thumbs up PRE-CERT.

wow! please Mr. Grad, show me the exemplars you have that in any way confirms this authentication??? I want to learn, Mr. Grad.

It's totally unbelievable they are allowed to get away with this. They turn zero dollar items into ....