What PSA/DNA and Heritage auctions are doing to our beloved boxing hobby!

[travrosty]

Mike, you criticize me and a few others that show these mistakes, and you wish we wouldn't. But think about it, just when did psa start this "no opinion due to a lack of exemplars"?

It only started happening just about 1 year ago, before that I cannot remember them ever saying that on a boxing autograph. Why is that?

It's because we held their feet to the fire. We made it better for collectors by pressuring psa and jsa to do the right thing and not just hand out a cert for the Tom, Dick and Harry boxing autographs. But thanks for slamming us for helping the collector in this way.

And when psa SHOULD issue a cert to an autograph that easily has exemplars avaiable, but instead say there is none, I am going to hold their feet to the fire for those too, because they refused to do a modicum of work to find them. 2 minutes on the internet on a a g00gle search to find Martin Julian's signature on his own letterhead and on a fight contract is not asking too much.

[thenavarro]

Travis typed: "Mike, you criticize me and a few others that show these mistakes, and you wish we wouldn't."

I reply: Travis, I don't recall ever indicating that I wish you wouldn't. Quite frankly, I find a lot of your posts entertaining for various reasons. By all means, post all you want to, type your fingers off. If I wished you wouldn't post, I would simply block you, it's not hard to do. Out of curiousity, which others did I criticize? I know it wasn't Mark O., as his posts are usually quite informative with detailed illustrations and what appears to be a fairly large exemplar database, and appears to be well organized at that. Usually when he posts, he does a good job of backing things up.

Travis typed: "But think about it, just when did psa start this "no opinion due to a lack of exemplars"? It only started happening just about 1 year ago, before that I cannot remember them ever saying that on a boxing autograph. Why is that?"

I reply: I thought I already addressed that in one of my replies earlier, perhaps you missed it with the flurry of replies you were typing. Here, I'll put it here again. I typed "Perhaps you are making a difference Travis (not Mr. Roste) ?"

Travis typed: "It's because we held their feet to the fire. We made it better for collectors by pressuring psa and jsa to do the right thing and not just hand out a cert for the Tom, Dick and Harry boxing autographs. But thanks for slamming us for helping the collector in this way."

I reply: You are welcome I guess. I didn't slam you for doing that, I slammed you for railing on PSA/DNA for not certing the Martin Julian autograph, which I found to be a direct contradiction to when you slam them for certing without exemplars.

Travis typed: "And when psa SHOULD issue a cert to an autograph that easily has exemplars avaiable, but instead say there is none, I am going to hold their feet to the fire for those too, because they refused to do a modicum of work to find them. 2 minutes on the internet on a a g00gle search to find Martin Julian's signature on his own letterhead and on a fight contract is not asking too much."

I reply: I'll make a note to do a google search next time I need exemplars, and another note to make myself realize that 2 minutes is all it takes to establish images I find on google as reliable exemplars. Just as an FYI, I've seen forgeries on legitimate letterhead and on contracts signed by proxies. Just because items are on letterhead and/or contracts does not necessarily make them legitimate as I'm sure you know. Perhaps the ones for Martin Julian are legit, I've got no idea as I've never googled him/her and don't plan on starting.

Have a good night,

Mike