Slightly OT/Big Lead Story About Upper Deck

MVSNYC · #1 07-21-2013, 08:39 AM

Very interesting read...just to clarify, what exactly did they counterfeit? was it real product, but they just made more than advertised (on the limited releases), or they literally forged cards? didn't fully understand that.

ScottFandango · #2 07-21-2013, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Very interesting read...just to clarify, what exactly did they counterfeit? was it real product, but they just made more than advertised (on the limited releases), or they literally forged cards? didn't fully understand that.

Rich, it was donruss, you are right....see how confusing it was!!! Ha

D. Bergin · #3 07-21-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Very interesting read...just to clarify, what exactly did they counterfeit? was it real product, but they just made more than advertised (on the limited releases), or they literally forged cards? didn't fully understand that.

I think in essence they made more then advertised. I remember that French Hockey, we were going crazy for it up here in the Northeast for awhile. Boy, did it crash and burn hard. I wouldn't be surprised if they made even more then what was stated in the article.

HRBAKER · #4 07-21-2013, 09:55 AM

Another sad tale of greed.

ctownboy · #5 07-21-2013, 10:53 AM

Wasn't it also alleged that a few years after the Ken Griffey Jr card was released and had skyrocketed in price that someone at Upper Deck had thousands more printed off and kept some for themselves and gave (sold cheaply?) others away to influential friends?

David

Exhibitman · #6 07-21-2013, 12:28 PM

Card Sharks covers it all; a must-read.

What everyone seems to forget is that the UD product was beautiful. Just so many great looking pictures, front and back, on that '89 set. If it looked like '81 Topps no one would have cared. They also invented the signed chase card.

steve B · #7 07-21-2013, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Card Sharks covers it all; a must-read.

What everyone seems to forget is that the UD product was beautiful. Just so many great looking pictures, front and back, on that '89 set. If it looked like '81 Topps no one would have cared. They also invented the signed chase card.

They did make a nice card, although I never really took to them. I think at the time the thin cardboard made them feel cheap even with the hologram and better printing than other brands. (To me anyway, lots of people really like them)

By the mid-late 90's, their standard product seemed like they weren't making much effort. The usual nice picture with a foil name. I did like some of the higher end stuff, SP and eventually SPX mostly for the die-cuts and the SPX layered look.

I bought a couple packs of the semi- unlicensed Goodwin cards they made a year or two ago, pretty disappointing considering what they'd been able to do in the past.

The new semi licensed stuff might be interesting.

Steve B

midwaylandscaping · #8 07-21-2013, 06:42 PM

From 89-93 they made some nice looking cards. Good pics, very nice.
After that, it was by the numbers.

steve B · #9 07-21-2013, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MVSNYC

Very interesting read...just to clarify, what exactly did they counterfeit? was it real product, but they just made more than advertised (on the limited releases), or they literally forged cards? didn't fully understand that.

They did it twice, or at least that's how many times they got caught.

The first was canadian hockey- limited run, for a limited market. But then packs started showing up with a different assortment of cards. 620 original cases, 900+ cases printed for company insiders.

Then in 2007-8 "fake" rare yugio cards were turning up in retail boxes made by Treat. Looking into it Treat said they got them all through manufacturers, not from dealers. Which led directly back to UD. UD finally admitted reprinting heir own stuff to sell to Treat.

Both were mentioned in the article.

I suspect there were a few other instances. We'll probably never know for sure.

I always laugh when I hear the old "unlicensed cards are worthless because they can be reprinted at any time". Right, because a license is what makes it something that can't be reprinted

Proven false, but still believed.

More interesting is the production number for -if I'm reading it right - 1990 of 3 Billion baseball cards. That makes for 3.75 Million of each.

Steve B

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