What PSA/DNA and Heritage auctions are doing to our beloved boxing hobby!

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Props to PSA for not certifying an autograph where they felt they didn't have reliable exemplars. Thumbs up!

Only you would say that. It's like refusing to certify Jack Dempsey due to lack of reliable exemplars. It's stupid.

Reliable exemplars of Julian are well documented and this only shows PSA isn't even in the infancy of knowing boxing autographs if they don't have Martin Julian exemplars on hand, let alone tell just by looking that it's good, which is all I had to do. But Grad must have scratched his head for an hour, or what? I don't know, let's ask him.

Would you go to psa, the WORLD'S boxing experts when they don't have any Julian exemplars? Julian exemplars not hard to come by if they took a minute to look for some. Julian exemplars should be in their database to start, but if not, one phone call to somebody should have gotten them several but they don't know what to do. It's only boxing to them.

Tom Sayers they certed, with no exemplars!

Martin Julian - they can't when several exemplars are availabel. People actually pay this company money. Can someobody tell me why Heritage even bothers when this is the result?

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by travrosty

Only you would say that.

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I feel relatively confident that the large majority of rational autograph collectors (except for the submitter and whomever sold to the submitter) would strongly prefer that they don't certify autographs they are not sure about.

You get all bent because they certed a Sayers supposedly with no exemplars (or at least none that they will share with you), but then out of the other side of your mouth you get bent with them for declining to opine on a different autograph.

Things that make you go hhmmm

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

I feel relatively confident that the large majority of rational autograph collectors (except for the submitter and whomever sold to the submitter) would strongly prefer that they don't certify autographs they are not sure about.

You get all bent because they certed a Sayers supposedly with no exemplars (or at least none that they will share with you), but then out of the other side of your mouth you get bent with them for declining to opine on a different autograph.

Things that make you go hhmmm

Mr. Navarro, they pulled the Tom Sayers cert admitting they didn't have exemplars, but nice try. There is zero chance that PSA has exemplars that the boxing autograph community doesn't have after 50 years of sharing exemplars between dedicated and experienced hobbyists.

The question you have to ask yourself is why aren't they sure about this Julian autograph? They claim to be WORLDS experts! I didn't have to pull up any exemplars of Julian for me to know it is good because I had seen Julian's autograph before and this one is textbook. Steve Grad, the world boxing expert must not have had the same experience in boxing autographs. That is what makes me go hmmmm- why people think they are the worlds experts and know boxing but continuously boot the ball on it.

PSA claims no exemplars. There are easily exemplars of Julian around for anyone who wants to spend a modicum of time looking for them, which they must not.

It's THEIR JOB to know these autographs, and claiming no exemplars when there are easily exemplars to be had, is not doing their job in my book. Who looked at these autographs for Heritage? Did they even know who Martin Julian was?

Go ahead and submit a Jack Dempsey to an auction house and when PSA claims they can't opine due to a lack of exemplars, then go ahead and give them the benefit of the doubt and tell them you are glad they are honest and won't give their opinion on an autograph they aren't sure about because they can't find any Jack Dempsey autographs to compare them to.

It doesn't work. We know you are a PSA supporter so no matter how bad they screw up you will love them. Well, good for you.

And where is your appreciation for PSA doing the right thing and admitting no exemplars when they certed a Joe Choynski as real and now claim no exemplars?????? Can you answer that, Mr. Navarro? They get away with it because the Mr. Navarro's of the world let them get away with it and always have numerous excuses on hand why they shouldn't DO THEIR JOB they claim they are the world's experts at? If they are the world's experts, why is it they aren't as good as I am at boxing autographs? Does that make me the solar system expert?

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by travrosty

And where is your appreciation for PSA doing the right thing and admitting no exemplars when they certed a Joe Choynski as real and now claim no exemplars??????

Can you answer that, Mr. Navarro?

Props for not certing Choynski anymore if they don't have exemplars.

Yes, I can answer that, I just did above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Perhaps you are making a difference Travis (not Mr. Roste) ?

[johnmh71]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

I feel relatively confident that the large majority of rational autograph collectors (except for the submitter and whomever sold to the submitter) would strongly prefer that they don't certify autographs they are not sure about.

You get all bent because they certed a Sayers supposedly with no exemplars (or at least none that they will share with you), but then out of the other side of your mouth you get bent with them for declining to opine on a different autograph.

Things that make you go hhmmm

+1. He's trying to make Nash proud of him.

[travrosty]

Mike, this is not a tough boxing autograph to authenticate. Their job is to know it like their job is to know Bob Feller. Claiming no exemplars is ridiculous. If they claimed no Bob Feller exemplars would you defend them? We know better. You know better. They can take it on the chin, they did it to themselves.