Looking for n300 or n162 ad pieces, oddities, etc...

There's a guy on ebay selling similar looking cards with blank backs and saying they are some sort of parallel set to the N162's that could only be redeemed through the mail. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing or have knowledge that these cards are legitimate and actually exist. Here's his response to my inquiry.

"ln 1888 Goodwin printed two sets of Champion Cigarette Cards, they consisted of 50 cards representing baseball, pedestrian, jockey, lawn tennis, etc. You could find them in Gypsy Queen & Old Judge tobacco pouches, these had Gypsy Queen & Old Judge writing on the base of the card & writing on the back. The other set (The one that l am selling) has the same picture on the front but no writing on the base or back. To purchase one of these you needed a coupon & then you could exchange it for a card that came from a Sports Card Album. The card l am selling is 125 years old, original, & 100% genuine. l am even prepared to give an undertaking that if the winning bidder can prove it is not 100% authentic, they can keep the card & get a full refund. But this wont happen because as mentioned this cigarette card is 100% authentic"

[barrysloate]

I never heard of the coupon or redemption this guy is talking about. It would be nice to see some documentation.

Regarding the authenticity of the cards cut out of albums, they are certainly authentic in the sense they were printed and issued in 1888. But they are not cards, they are not rare, and they should not sell for very much. They are cutouts from a book. Worth something, but they are not the holy grail.

Originally Posted by barrysloate

I never heard of the coupon or redemption this guy is talking about. It would be nice to see some documentation.

Regarding the authenticity of the cards cut out of albums, they are certainly authentic in the sense they were printed and issued in 1888. But they are not cards, they are not rare, and they should not sell for very much. They are cutouts from a book. Worth something, but they are not the holy grail.

Yeah, I'm getting the feeling the guy is just selling the cut-outs from the Goodwin album you're referring to and then adding a back story about them being redemption pieces in order to try and make them seem more unique and drive up prices.

[HRBAKER]

Dan,

Have you asked him how he knows about this "parallel" redemption card? Maybe he can steer us to some documentation. Doubtful.

Jeff

Originally Posted by HRBAKER

Dan,

Have you asked him how he knows about this "parallel" redemption card? Maybe he can steer us to some documentation. Doubtful.

Jeff

Jeff,
I will ask, but I suspect they are just cut-out cards from the Goodwin Champions album. I think what the seller may have been indicating is that the Goodwin Champions album itself, may have been redeemed by coupon. That seems reasonable and to make more sense. The thing that was throwing me off was that some of the cards have advertising while others don't. In looking back at the seller's previously sold items I noticed that he has what looks to be a complete set, so my guess is that it just depends on the layout of the advertising behind each individual cut-out card.

Here's a link the King Kelly (with advertising on back) that he sold. Its the same card that is pictured earlier in this thread and is currently listed on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1888-Good...p2047675.l2557

Here's a link to the Glasscock (with advertising) previously sold by the same seller.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-Goodwin...p2047675.l2557

Here's a link to a lot of 1888 Goodwin cut-outs with blank backs (but described as being from the same album)

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/1888-Good...p2047675.l2557