Looking for n300 or n162 ad pieces, oddities, etc...

[wonkaticket]

I'm now the owner of the above N28 banner it was from the world famous Sloate collection.

Here's a better pic.



N28s cut from the banner will be much thinner than those cut from the N28 albums if that helps.

Good luck in your search.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

If in fact that N162 Kelly was cut from a poster, and not simply from a Champions album (I don't have one to see what is on the other side of the Kelly), then it would be new to the hobby. No intact N162 poster is known to me, however I have imagined that one could have existed at one time. Did you check an album to make absolutely certain the Kelly wasn't cut from it? I've never seen a poster where the advertising was on the back, so it's kind of odd. Not impossible, just unusual.

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If in fact that N162 Kelly was cut from a poster, and not simply from a Champions album (I don't have one to see what is on the other side of the Kelly), then it would be new to the hobby. No intact N162 poster is known to me, however I have imagined that one could have existed at one time. Did you check an album to make absolutely certain the Kelly wasn't cut from it? I've never seen a poster where the advertising was on the back, so it's kind of odd. Not impossible, just unusual.

The seller of the N162 Kelly cut-out indicates in his listing that the card stock is thick and comparable to that of the actual cards. I don't know if that helps at all, but that's what he indicated.

[barrysloate]

Cards cut from posters tend to be a little thinner than regular issue cards. Not exactly sure what he has.

[1880nonsports]

cut from the last page of the Goodwin Champions album.......... It is neither fantasy nor reproduction. Shamus are you refering to an N28 or some other N28 advertising piece? Top shelf banner Mr Wonka!

[JeremyW]

I believe the Kelly card is cut from the album. The back printing matches the print that is used in the album.

[barrysloate]

Since it has been confirmed the Kelly was cut from an album, its value is marginal.

There's a guy on ebay selling similar looking cards with blank backs and saying they are some sort of parallel set to the N162's that could only be redeemed through the mail. Has anyone ever heard of such a thing or have knowledge that these cards are legitimate and actually exist. Here's his response to my inquiry.

"ln 1888 Goodwin printed two sets of Champion Cigarette Cards, they consisted of 50 cards representing baseball, pedestrian, jockey, lawn tennis, etc. You could find them in Gypsy Queen & Old Judge tobacco pouches, these had Gypsy Queen & Old Judge writing on the base of the card & writing on the back. The other set (The one that l am selling) has the same picture on the front but no writing on the base or back. To purchase one of these you needed a coupon & then you could exchange it for a card that came from a Sports Card Album. The card l am selling is 125 years old, original, & 100% genuine. l am even prepared to give an undertaking that if the winning bidder can prove it is not 100% authentic, they can keep the card & get a full refund. But this wont happen because as mentioned this cigarette card is 100% authentic"

Here's a link to a closed auction for all the pages of the 1888 Goodwin Champions album, including the advertising on the back.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=108957

[shammus]

Sorry I wasn't aware this thread got so much attention. I'll try to reply to a few of the questions asked of me.

Shown below are the two n28 and n162 ad pieces I own, Ward and Brouthers. The n28 is off of the n28 Champion's poster that Wonka and others posted. You can tell by the colors that are showing on the borders of the Ward that it matches up perfectly with the Ward shown on the poster. It's also a thinner stock overall like the others were saying.

The Kelly that Dan posted about on the first page is from an A36 Goodwin Album released around 1888, about the same time as the n162 set. You can see a good shot of this album below. There is also an image below showing what the back of the panel with Kelly, Glasscock, Dunlap and Keefe looks like. As you'll see, the back of the Kelly that is on Ebay now, matches up perfectly with what is shown in this image.

The Brouthers shown below is cut from a different page in this same A36 Album. However that particular page is blank backed, as is the Brouthers shown below. The page with the Kelly has the large advertisement for Old Judge as you can see.

Dan, not sure when you spoke to the guy on Ebay about his cards, but I've shown him scans of the ones I have and have shown him the entire pieces that they were cut off of. I've had this conversation with him in the past week or so. I've not come up with any info supporting a theory that these were redemption cards. But I've told him that the cards resembling n162s were cards cut of the A36 Champions album, so hopefully my explanation made sense. I feel that given the backs matching up perfectly on the Kelly, Glasscock, etc... that particular mystery is solved.

I agree with Barry's point about the cards only having marginal value. These, while likely not easy to find, are likely to not carry the value anywhere near the value of the actual cards. They are authentic, and were released at the same time the cards were issued however. The Kelly on Ebay surprises me a bit since it's already up to $500...heh

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