Looking for n300 or n162 ad pieces, oddities, etc...

[1880nonsports]

my interest is piqued! Sorry to squeeze in your bst page but just curious about the above? I have some ginter pieces amongst my stuff and would love to hear about it. No interest in jumping into anyone's transaction - only seeking information....

btw - that's some banner! Not my favorite as it lacks the sophistication of other examples of the genre but it's quite important and beauty is in the eyes of the beholder...........

[Tbags80]

Hello everyone new to this forum but I thought I might chime in since there is interest in my card. From what Heritage auctions and I came up with is that it is dated the same as the Goodwin champions N162. It is the same card stock but is hand cut from an advertising banner. I had my hands on the exact same Cap Anson and the back carried the same advertisement just a different section. Both were sold to me as a lot. Obviously cut from the same banner. The Cap sold immediately for what I paid for the pair to a private collector and Heritage put a pleasing estimated value on it after the fact. So a little sellers remorse as that went. The plan was to keep them together and auction in Chicago later this year but times got hard and the wife even harder and since the Anson did well I decided on a quick turn around on EBay with the "King". I have had some nice offers and input and I thank everyone for there interest I am confident this historic piece o baseball history will go to a good home. By the way so glad to be a voice in this forum now and look forward to hearing some great collecting stories.

Originally Posted by Tbags80

Hello everyone new to this forum but I thought I might chime in since there is interest in my card. From what Heritage auctions and I came up with is that it is dated the same as the Goodwin champions N162. It is the same card stock but is hand cut from an advertising banner. I had my hands on the exact same Cap Anson and the back carried the same advertisement just a different section. Both were sold to me as a lot. Obviously cut from the same banner. The Cap sold immediately for what I paid for the pair to a private collector and Heritage put a pleasing estimated value on it after the fact. So a little sellers remorse as that went. The plan was to keep them together and auction in Chicago later this year but times got hard and the wife even harder and since the Anson did well I decided on a quick turn around on EBay with the "King". I have had some nice offers and input and I thank everyone for there interest I am confident this historic piece o baseball history will go to a good home. By the way so glad to be a voice in this forum now and look forward to hearing some great collecting stories.

Welcome. So disappointed that this card is already out of my range. I wish you well...you are going to love this forum!

[wonkaticket]

I'm now the owner of the above N28 banner it was from the world famous Sloate collection.

Here's a better pic.



N28s cut from the banner will be much thinner than those cut from the N28 albums if that helps.

Good luck in your search.

Cheers,

John

[barrysloate]

If in fact that N162 Kelly was cut from a poster, and not simply from a Champions album (I don't have one to see what is on the other side of the Kelly), then it would be new to the hobby. No intact N162 poster is known to me, however I have imagined that one could have existed at one time. Did you check an album to make absolutely certain the Kelly wasn't cut from it? I've never seen a poster where the advertising was on the back, so it's kind of odd. Not impossible, just unusual.

Originally Posted by barrysloate

If in fact that N162 Kelly was cut from a poster, and not simply from a Champions album (I don't have one to see what is on the other side of the Kelly), then it would be new to the hobby. No intact N162 poster is known to me, however I have imagined that one could have existed at one time. Did you check an album to make absolutely certain the Kelly wasn't cut from it? I've never seen a poster where the advertising was on the back, so it's kind of odd. Not impossible, just unusual.

The seller of the N162 Kelly cut-out indicates in his listing that the card stock is thick and comparable to that of the actual cards. I don't know if that helps at all, but that's what he indicated.

[barrysloate]

Cards cut from posters tend to be a little thinner than regular issue cards. Not exactly sure what he has.

Here's a link to a closed auction for all the pages of the 1888 Goodwin Champions album, including the advertising on the back.

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/Lot...ntoryid=108957

[shammus]

Sorry I wasn't aware this thread got so much attention. I'll try to reply to a few of the questions asked of me.

Shown below are the two n28 and n162 ad pieces I own, Ward and Brouthers. The n28 is off of the n28 Champion's poster that Wonka and others posted. You can tell by the colors that are showing on the borders of the Ward that it matches up perfectly with the Ward shown on the poster. It's also a thinner stock overall like the others were saying.

The Kelly that Dan posted about on the first page is from an A36 Goodwin Album released around 1888, about the same time as the n162 set. You can see a good shot of this album below. There is also an image below showing what the back of the panel with Kelly, Glasscock, Dunlap and Keefe looks like. As you'll see, the back of the Kelly that is on Ebay now, matches up perfectly with what is shown in this image.

The Brouthers shown below is cut from a different page in this same A36 Album. However that particular page is blank backed, as is the Brouthers shown below. The page with the Kelly has the large advertisement for Old Judge as you can see.

Dan, not sure when you spoke to the guy on Ebay about his cards, but I've shown him scans of the ones I have and have shown him the entire pieces that they were cut off of. I've had this conversation with him in the past week or so. I've not come up with any info supporting a theory that these were redemption cards. But I've told him that the cards resembling n162s were cards cut of the A36 Champions album, so hopefully my explanation made sense. I feel that given the backs matching up perfectly on the Kelly, Glasscock, etc... that particular mystery is solved.

I agree with Barry's point about the cards only having marginal value. These, while likely not easy to find, are likely to not carry the value anywhere near the value of the actual cards. They are authentic, and were released at the same time the cards were issued however. The Kelly on Ebay surprises me a bit since it's already up to $500...heh

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[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Tbags80

Hello everyone new to this forum but I thought I might chime in since there is interest in my card. From what Heritage auctions and I came up with is that it is dated the same as the Goodwin champions N162. It is the same card stock but is hand cut from an advertising banner. I had my hands on the exact same Cap Anson and the back carried the same advertisement just a different section. Both were sold to me as a lot. Obviously cut from the same banner. The Cap sold immediately for what I paid for the pair to a private collector and Heritage put a pleasing estimated value on it after the fact. So a little sellers remorse as that went. The plan was to keep them together and auction in Chicago later this year but times got hard and the wife even harder and since the Anson did well I decided on a quick turn around on EBay with the "King". I have had some nice offers and input and I thank everyone for there interest I am confident this historic piece o baseball history will go to a good home. By the way so glad to be a voice in this forum now and look forward to hearing some great collecting stories.

Heritage couldn't figure out these were from the album?

Who did you deal with at Heritage that told you that these came from a banner not the album? Can you please share his or her name?

Also what kind of "pleasing estimated value" did they tell you?

[barrysloate]

Heritage is going to have to amend the text to reflect what these really are. Once they do that, bidders can determine their value.

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Heritage couldn't figure out these were from the album?

Who did you deal with at Heritage that told you that these came from a banner not the album? Can you please share his or her name?

Also what kind of "pleasing estimated value" did they tell you?

Another interesting note. I asked the seller what he knew about the King Kelly cut-out card he was selling and how he came to own it. This was his response.

"I sell some cards through one of the last existing card shops in my area and there is a elderly gentleman that brings some vintage in from time to time. We became friendly and he showed me some of his private collection with time I was able to purchase my first card a Ruth strip in amazing condition but it came with a catch he would only sell me that card if I bought the Cobb from the same series in the same condition. From then on he let me pay with payments and I have gotten some amazing pieces like a small black and white hand tinted Ruth/ Gehrig tobacco that only one other has ever been seen at auction. Anyways these two he had (Anson/King) and I fell I love with them it took me 5 months to pay him for these so yes I am very surprised to hear that a similar card went for so little."

Meanwhile, here's the link to the completed ebay item for the card that he won last month.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-Goodwin...item19dd54dce6

[barrysloate]

Sounds like both the elderly gentleman and the card shop owner knew little to nothing about the set.

Originally Posted by barrysloate

Sounds like both the elderly gentleman and the card shop owner knew little to nothing about the set.

There is no elderly gentleman (and probably no card shop)...he bought the card off ebay from some guy in Australia

[barrysloate]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

There is no elderly gentleman (and probably no card shop)...he bought the card off ebay from some guy in Australia

I was thinking that too, but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt....