Future pre-war card scam...

[brianp-beme]

Shhhh! The seller is one of us

Brian

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

Shhhh! The seller is one of us

Brian

That makes it even more disgusting!

[christopher.herman]

Not cool. PSA and SGC should contact ebay directly about this.

[ScottFandango]

did he think people search for things that are "neat" and this would come up...

at least this is an equal opportunity situation and not a lone PSA issue...

[UOFLfan7]

That's awful. Those are no doubt going to be used to scam people out of their hard earned money.

[EvilKing00]

that should be illegal, as its can only be used in a fraud, to re-use the holders and scam someone.

[wonkaticket]

LOL, would you like to buy back my broken E106 PSA 1MK Tinker case?

[thehoodedcoder]

my email:

you douche....

why would you give a scammer a real flip and real case?

what is wrong with you.

kevin

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by thehoodedcoder

my email:

you douche....

why would you give a scammer a real flip and real case?

what is wrong with you.

kevin

Kevin, who is the "scammer" you are referring to? Dave.

[brewing]

Originally Posted by christopher.herman

Not cool. PSA and SGC should contact ebay directly about this.

While I agree with the concerns. I believe SGC and PSA should make cases that are more tamper resistant. While I abhor the quality of Becket vintage grading, their cases are tamper resistant.

[sb1]

Easy solution, spend $10 buy them and destroy them.

[chipperhank44]

Originally Posted by brewing

While I agree with the concerns. I believe SGC and PSA should make cases that are more tamper resistant. While I abhor the quality of Becket vintage grading, their cases are tamper resistant.

+1

tamper proof > tamper evident

[Clutch-Hitter]

Originally Posted by brewing

While I agree with the concerns. I believe SGC and PSA should make cases that are more tamper resistant. While I abhor the quality of Becket vintage grading, their cases are tamper resistant.

Crooks will find a way to open the cases, but I see what you're saying. We, here, usually see the cracked PSA cases and report our findings here and on Ebay. PSA is easy to spot and because we look at the card first, which has its own indicators, its really hard to miss using both avenues.

Although I don't recall any SGC examples, they must be out there because those cases are very easy to open and should be harder to spot with the black inserts and all. Been a PSA guy for more than a dozen years but still really like the SGC holders and their consistency. First, they need to modify/secure those holders slightly, and second, they also need to make a few other unrelated changes to better business across all eras and increase quantity of both submissions and submitters. These things, specifically six things, are very clear to me and I simply can't understand how they're not doing them; just maintain the things that's keeping them second place, with a tie for second being the case, no pun intended, occasionally, it seems. I really like them though; they're unique.

Beckett has gotten better with the vintage stuff, both with their grading of cards and their knowledge of certain issuers. Criticism: went from overly strict years ago with vintage to possibly a little too lenient, but I may be overstating since all three take other things into account when assigning grades (each company considers certain aspects above others). I don't like their holders at all. If it can't be scanned, there's a problem, and their holders, for the most part, can't be scanned. Even when the plastic doesn't interfere, one still has to increase the contrast a great deal for the card to be seen the way it looks when holding it, and the result is a holder that is too bright to read, or close to it. I have several that will be cracked.

Having said all that negativity, they all have issues that are caused, for the most part and in this context, by the criminal minds. If you take a minute to reflect on who does these things and with which company, we'll find that PSA holders are most often the ones the crook chooses because the uncommon vintage collector knows and recognizes the PSA name first and foremost. We tend to emphasize that PSA is doing something wrong in this regard, but that's not correct, nor is it rational. That's the crook's fault, not PSA's. Based on the above, I'd say that PSA has the lead in the holder area and the others could put pressure on if they choose to do so.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

We tend to emphasize that PSA is doing something wrong in this regard, but that's not correct, nor is it rational. That's the crook's fault, not PSA's.

I understand what you're saying, but I kind of disagree. PSA knows that their slabs are easy to crack, but have turned a blind eye. It's kind of like this. Let's say you have a Masterlock deadbolt on your front door that's known to the criminals as an easy lock to pick because of its design. If you're home got burglarized and the cops told you after the fact that Masterlock is known by thieves as the easiest lock to pick, wouldn't you think that Masterlock should share some of the responsibility? That may be a far-fetched example, but my point is this. When companies are made aware of design flaws in their products, they have an obligation to fix them. So, yes, in a way PSA is doing something wrong by turning a blind eye.

On a side note, I was speaking to Earl from SGC last month at the TriStar show and this subject came up (PSA cases being easy to crack). He said that during his tenure at SGC (which I think he's been there for about 5 years now), he has only seen 1 SGC case that was cracked open and the card replaced, and went on to say that it was poorly fabricated and easy to spot.

[ramram]

Geez, $18.50. Jim's one of the only guys I know that would sell his reputation for $18.50.

Rob M.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by Clutch-Hitter

Beckett has gotten better with the vintage stuff, both with their grading of cards and their knowledge of certain issuers. Criticism: went from overly strict years ago with vintage to possibly a little too lenient, but I may be overstating since all three take other things into account when assigning grades (each company considers certain aspects above others). I don't like their holders at all. If it can't be scanned, there's a problem, and their holders, for the most part, can't be scanned. Even when the plastic doesn't interfere, one still has to increase the contrast a great deal for the card to be seen the way it looks when holding it, and the result is a holder that is too bright to read, or close to it. I have several that will be cracked.

I scan BVG cards on the same settings (I have a Canon CanoScan CCD scanner) as I scan PSA/SGC cards and they come out comparable, in my opinion. The card below is now raw, but once resided in a BVG holder:



I've cracked many holders from the big 3 TPGs. I always save the slips. I throw BVG holders in the recycling bin because I haven't found a way to remove the card without destroying the holder. SGC holders are usually the easiest, and sometimes they pop right open w/little or no frosting. Although in MOST cases there is frosting along the edges from opening the case. I usually save these holders to add stiffness to an envelope when shipping cards raw. PSA holders aren't quiet as easy for me as SGC and I usually end up damaging the side of the case more than an SGC, but still usable for shipping raw cards.

In either the SGC or PSA examples, even if I can remove the card w/o further damaging the holder, I still break open the entire holder before shipping it so it is in 2 pieces. Just habit.

Rob

[ScottFandango]

Probably has no job because he can barely write....how many grammar mistakes are in that listing? Sad

[johnmh71]

I do plan on buying them without going crazy on the price and I'll smash them to bits. I hate liars, frauds, and scammers. There is way too much of that crap in the hobby already.

[Tao_Moko]

This is just an itty bitty piece of the bigger problem that is tpg. I have a stack of over 100 flips that I keep in a drawer because the tpg's don't seem to care about getting them back. Bottom line is that they need to either get better quickly, reduce their fees substantially or become obsolete. Why not just glue the flip in and give it a foil that if peeled off becomes ruined. There's got to be something simple and low cost they can do.

[mintacular]

I do plan on buying them without going crazy on the price and I'll smash them to bits. I hate liars, frauds, and scammers. There is way too much of that crap in the hobby already.

Be careful, while your intentions might be good it will be on your eBay record and others might assume/think you are the scammer purchasing them for future rip-offs.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

I do plan on buying them without going crazy on the price and I'll smash them to bits. I hate liars, frauds, and scammers. There is way too much of that crap in the hobby already.

John,

I applaud your idea and agree, in principle, with what you propose. If you choose to take this route, please document the destruction on YouTube or a similar venue and then post the link here on Net54.

If it were me, I would create a video that showed everything from the opening of the package and smashing of the contents to the close-up images of and then literally burning the paper flips...in one continuous take.

Again, I am on your side at this point. Having said that, I chose not to go down a similar path because the simple act of purchasing these might cast a cloud of suspicion upon the buyer.

Just my two cents.

Best Regards,

Eric

[johnmh71]

Eric:

That is my bid. I'll be sure to share.

John

Originally Posted by johnmh71

I do plan on buying them without going crazy on the price and I'll smash them to bits. I hate liars, frauds, and scammers. There is way too much of that crap in the hobby already.

Please provide pictures as evidence of the carnage.

Edit: Nevermind. I'm reporting it to ebay as well

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

Please provide pictures as evidence of the carnage.

He changed his mind and thought it unwise...

[timn1]

may be a presence on this board, but I have never considered him "one of us" --

[wonkaticket]

John, be sure to use your coupon.

[uffda51]

Buy the holder, not the card . . .

[npa589]

I thought the negative on his eBay profile was rather funny:

"Poorly packed photo arrived creased. Sellers only action was to misspell 'soryy'"

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by uffda51

Buy the holder, not the card . . .

Lol

[cardsfan73]

8 of the 9 bids are from the same person who has an 88% bid activity with the seller...

[murcerfan]

All I asked for was a free $12 dollar submission


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