Correlation of T206 OLD MILL & SOVEREIGN No-Prints

[cdn_collector]

Morning Ted,

Apologies if this is obvious -- does your observation speak to any specific print group? I don't know the print groups as well as many, but I see that the first bunch on the list are from the 350 series.

(Question/though triggered because George Gibson has an OM but has not yet been confirmed with an Sovereign 350; but he's part of the 150-350 group)

Regards,

Richard.

[tedzan]

Good Morning Richard,

The cards that I have identified here as No-Prints apply strictly to the group of T206 subjects that are in the 350-Only series.

With respect to the SOVEREIGN cards....although there is a possible total of 203 subjects in the 350-Only series (forest green)....138 subjects
were printed. Therefore, the 65 subjects listed are what I have identified as No-Prints.

Thanks for your question,


TED Z

[atx840]

Hey Ted,

I have started to break up the groupings I have found by splitting out the unconfirmed examples to see where that gets me. As you noted there are several cards that are unconfirmed across many backs....one could assume these are a grouping that likely don't exist in those f/b combination...however I am hesitant to go to far down this path as it can cause more uncertainties if one does show up...like the three examples with OM you listed.

There is also the potential that during a second/third print run that a player was swapped out (error, team change etc) on a sheet and that sheet then printed with a back that the initial sheet wasn't.

First print run
Sheet of 10 cards printed with Piedmont & Sov backs.

Second print run - card 10 is swapped with a new card
Sheet of 10 is printed with Piedmonts backs and now an OM run.

You end up with 11 cards with Piedmont, 10 with Sov and 10 with OM and the two cards that were swapped have different f/b combinations..one has Pied & Sov and the other has Pied & OM. This really messes the groupings up as they appear to be in separate groupings even though they are sheetmates to the other 9 cards.

I think it will take a group all working together with the pop reports and everyones data to really solve these once and for all.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

Hey Ted,

I have started to break up the groupings I have found by splitting out the unconfirmed examples to see where that gets me. As you noted there are several cards that are unconfirmed across many backs....one could assume these are a grouping that likely don't exist in those f/b combination...however I am hesitant to go to far down this path as it can cause more uncertainties if one does show up...like the three examples with OM you listed.

First print run
Sheet of 10 cards printed with Piedmont & Sov backs.

Chris

What evidence do you have that the SOVEREIGN press run was that early in the game ?

My theory has always been that PIEDMONT press runs were first....SWEET CAPORAL secondary. These two T-brands were the primary tobacco products of ATC in
that era.

SOVEREIGN was a tertiary brand in the ATC system and its distribution was regionally limited; therefore, printed subsequent to the 2 above stated prime T-brands.


TED Z