E90-1 Blank Backs (also their shared sets: e106, e105, e101, e102, e92)

[ScottFandango]

the blank back is a "salesman sample"

as we know, the front images of many caramel cards are shared by different companies....these companies ordered the picture card fronts and had their own company names printed on the back....the Krause was a salesman's example he could show prospective companies...

same thing still happens now, but nowadays, the word "SAMPLE" is usually placed on the card.....I have some "Sample" cards in hand...

the on thing that correctly identifies these cards is the back label...no back label means its not part of the set...

[sb1]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

the blank back is a "salesman sample"

as we know, the front images of many caramel cards are shared by different companies....these companies ordered the picture card fronts and had their own company names printed on the back....the Krause was a salesman's example he could show prospective companies...

same thing still happens now, but nowadays, the word "SAMPLE" is usually placed on the card.....I have some "Sample" cards in hand...

the on thing that correctly identifies these cards is the back label...no back label means its not part of the set...

Where did you get all these facts?

These companies did not buy them and print their own backs, all of this was done at the time of production. Further I have never seen a "sample" card from this era. The blank back examples seen have all been circulated and are nothing more than a sheet which escaped getting the back printed and a few survived the last 100+ years. Please show us your E card "samples".

[ScottFandango]

Originally Posted by sb1

Where did you get all these facts?

These companies did not buy them and print their own backs, all of this was done at the time of production. Further I have never seen a "sample" card from this era. The blank back examples seen have all been circulated and are nothing more than a sheet which escaped getting the back printed and a few survived the last 100+ years. Please show us your E card "samples".

didn't say they printed their own cards....they ordered the half tone lithographs in certain amounts, AFTER they saw samples of the card front ...also they may have been involved in choosing the players they wanted (local affiliations)..

my "sample" cards I have are modern...

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by ScottFandango

the blank back is a "salesman sample"

as we know, the front images of many caramel cards are shared by different companies....these companies ordered the picture card fronts and had their own company names printed on the back....the Krause was a salesman's example he could show prospective companies...

same thing still happens now, but nowadays, the word "SAMPLE" is usually placed on the card.....I have some "Sample" cards in hand...

the on thing that correctly identifies these cards is the back label...no back label means its not part of the set...

If this is all correct then is it your thinking that the reason Krause isn't found in any other set is because none of the other companies wanted to buy that image for their distribution? Also would this be your theory of what a blank back t206 is also?

I have been wondering if all the blank backs were their own set and should be cataloged, but had no reason to back it up.

I was still wanting to know if, now that there is a list of e90-1 exclusive artwork, if there are any other blank backs that are on that list that anyone has ran across.

[sb1]

Andy,

It's possible some company may have used them without a printed ad, but why would they? the whole point is to promote their product. I again will say they were merely blank back errors from sheets that did not get printed for one reason or another and then cut and distributed with whatever product they were meant to be with.

They were NOT "salesmen samples".

As has been shown with Siegle and Miller and others, although the fronts are near identical, there are subtle changes from issue to issue as these images were used over a 2-3 year period. Further study of each player may reveal enough clues to identify it with it's correct set.

I would not say however that the blank back is "part" of the set, much like a T206 blank back is not part of a T206 back run, IT IS the absence of a printed back and therefore an "error" card.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by sb1

Andy,

It's possible some company may have used them without a printed ad, but why would they? the whole point is to promote their product. I again will say they were merely blank back errors from sheets that did not get printed for one reason or another and then cut and distributed with whatever product they were meant to be with.

They were NOT "salesmen samples".

As has been shown with Siegle and Miller and others, although the fronts are near identical, there are subtle changes from issue to issue as these images were used over a 2-3 year period. Further study of each player may reveal enough clues to identify it with it's correct set.

I would not say however that the blank back is "part" of the set, much like a T206 blank back is not part of a T206 back run, IT IS the absence of a printed back and therefore an "error" card.

I see points from both of you. I really don't know. That is why I am wanting to see if any other blank backs can be proven to be from the e90-1 set or related to it in some way by finding e90-1 exclusive art with a blank back. Both theories lend themselves to thinking there could be more out there. Your theory that it is just an error makes me think there should at least be a sheet's worth out there of blank backs with some of those being e90-1 exclusive artwork. I am just trying to piece it together. I am very ignorant about the sets and have only tried researching this in the past year.

[ScottFandango]

The more half tone lithographs they sold (either to candy store, cocoa dealers, clothes stores) the more money they made...they would have sold them to elementary schools if possible....

Of course they had samples to show their prospective clients....

Baseball card makers of the early 1900's were pretty smart... they made artwork we still treasure today!

[ScottFandango]

The Krause shown in the OP is very interesting.....

This may have been one of the salesman samples used in convincing the Clement Brothers into changing from the funny oval images in 1909 to the Rectangular 1910 image we are more familiar with today...

Surely one of the board members lives in NYC and can take a peek at the Burdick Collection....the D380 Krause is in fact, there.

[ScottFandango]

This Krause is the brother to the McLean Blank bank on sale on eBay (not mine)

These were both sample cards of a salesman from upstate new York most probably...

He was a good salesman, he got small time businesses to buy his artwork...

He got Clement bakers in the small town of Rochester NY to buy krause amoung others

He got tiny NIAGRA BAKING to buy his artwork after seeing the McLean...

Oh yeah, and McLean is one of the few verified D355 Niagara Baking cards...