JSA, PSA: Fake Sonny Listons piling up?

[1880nonsports]

if Rich Galasso is still in the hobby?

[1880nonsports]

"The most expensive autograph you can ever buy is one that's not authentic".

[Big Dave]

I believe Spence stated in one of the lawsuits he has been involved with, that he took a mail order forensic handwriting course and it was on his resume'.

[travrosty]

spence plays both sides of the fence, in the pcce video, he bashes forensices, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcBfhtuS5fE this is part one, i dont know which part he mentions forensics, only that he does.

then when it is convenient like his internet credentials, he likes to brag he has a forensics certificate.

that liston, by the way, no good, that is a wife signed liston, sonny must have been there, took the index card, passed it off to Geraldine below the radar and then gave it back to the collector.

[JimStinson]

Here is another one , Its a GPC postmarked Jan 5th, 1965. Signed by Mrs. Geraldine (The Devil Made me Do It) Liston I've had it for years. Wish it WAS signed by Sonny but its not.
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[johnmh71]

Originally Posted by travrosty

that liston, by the way, no good, that is a wife signed liston, sonny must have been there, took the index card, passed it off to Geraldine below the radar and then gave it back to the collector.

So I guess JSA got it right. You have to call it both ways.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by johnmh71

So I guess JSA got it right. You have to call it both ways.

You gotta be kidding me, first off, he never said he sent it in, just that jsa wanted 150 to look at it.

both psa and jsa certed these wife signed as good for many years, and it was only until some hobbyists in the boxing autograph world like myself and others started notifying the auction houses that these were bad and wife signed did the certification of these phony liston's stop.

But just last year psa certed a wife signed liston wtih Grad signing off on it so what is the deal with that? They didnt even learn nor care. Spence doesnt know boxing, Grad doesn't know boxing. IF they knew boxing, we wouldn't be able to show you dozens upon dozens of stupid errors that they have made and keep making.

They don't know liston's autograph at all so i give them no credit whatsoever.

And as for the word corrupt goes, both psa and jsa certed a tom sayers autograph from the late 1880's as good, but it got pulled from auction after they got caught with no exemplars on which to make their certification. Then the certs went away. So define the word corrupt and see if it applies in this case. If it doesn't then show the exemplars they used especially since the certs say specifically that the autograph matches exemplars we have encountered in the hobby.

THEY can't have it both ways.