need help big time cobb green back experts

[CW]

It's pretty sad that I remember the first Cobb. Here's a link to the original auction for the real card.

[sflayank]

how can we be sure either card is real

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by CW

It's pretty sad that I remember the first Cobb. Here's a link to the original auction for the real card.

Chuck,

Thanks for providing that link. Based on the REA image, it seems reasonable to conclude that the card on the right is a knock-off.

Damn...fake holders, fake flips.

The TPGs had better do whatever they can to stay one step ahead of the fraudsters. Otherwise, our beloved hobby will be so fraught with peril that all but the most seasoned collectors will walk away.

Best Regards,

Eric

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is the second card for sale somewhere?

[Eric72]

Additionally...is it just me, or does the card on the right seem to have lettering that appears more black than brown? From what I understand, this would be an indicator that it's not the real deal; however, could be wrong here.

Given my limited experience with T206, I am just asking...and not providing an unqualified expert opinion.

Best,

Eric

[sflayank]

the 2nd cobb was purchased by someone i know and he lost his investment
there are 100s of ruths gehrigs cobbs 54 aarons 56 mantle 68 ryans 86 jordans out there in fake holders fake slips...i guess you just have to double triple and quadruple check

[EvilKing00]

wow psa as well as the rest better do something to make this harder to fake

[t206hound]

wow. I'm guessing a real back on a fake front in a counterfeit slab?

[Eric72]

The current TPGs need to step in here and protect their market share. If not, someone else will steal it from them.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by sflayank

the 2nd cobb was purchased by someone i know and he lost his investment
there are 100s of ruths gehrigs cobbs 54 aarons 56 mantle 68 ryans 86 jordans out there in fake holders fake slips...i guess you just have to double triple and quadruple check

Has anyone seen any fake SGC slabs out there yet? Just curious if these fakes are confined to PSA slabs at this time.

[peterose4hof]

Originally Posted by DeanH3

Has anyone seen any fake SGC slabs out there yet? Just curious if these fakes are confined to PSA slabs at this time.

Accidental phone post. Please ignore.

[DeanH3]

Originally Posted by peterose4hof

Accidental phone post. Please ignore.

Huh?? My question was in all seriousness. I would like to know if these scam artists have been able to fake an SGC slab.

Edited: I think I misunderstood your post. My apologies.

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by sflayank

the 2nd cobb was purchased by someone i know and he lost his investment

How did he lose his investment? Is it because the market has softened or was he told it was a fake?

r/
Frank

[Prof_Plum]

Using an online barcode reader, I got the first Cobb barcode to come back as a match to the text number. With the second Cobb's barcode I couldn't get any of the online sites I tried to read it or at least decipher into numbers.

Note: some of the sites couldn't read the first Cobb code either.

[toppcat]

Originally Posted by sflayank

the 2nd cobb was purchased by someone i know and he lost his investment
there are 100s of ruths gehrigs cobbs 54 aarons 56 mantle 68 ryans 86 jordans out there in fake holders fake slips...i guess you just have to double triple and quadruple check

Know your dealer-sometimes hard online but it's a must when dealing with anything of value, cards or not.

[sflayank]

everyone on here seems to agree the 2nd card holder is fake and the flip is fake but
is it possible the cobb card itself is real and was removed from an authentic holder(trimmed or recolored or whatever) and placed in a fake psa holder and flip to upgrade the card

[christopher.herman]

In my opinion and without seeing the card in person:
1. The PSA holder/slab is real. (The slabs are way too easy to open and reseal. PSA needs to make them totally self destruct upon cracking, similar to Beckett.)
2. The flip is fake. (The font is significantly off.)
3. The card is a fake front. (Probably easily identified using a loupe in person. And the text looks black and too faint, similar to other reprints that I've seen.)
4. The back looks real and skinned to apply the fake
front. (Also the back does not line up to the front in terms of cut. Another red flag.)

Know your seller. Check the certs. Examine high dollar purchases in person, if possible. Pay with regular PayPal or a credit card so that you have some recourse in the event that fraud is evident.

Christopher.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by sflayank

everyone on here seems to agree the 2nd card holder is fake and the flip is fake but
is it possible the cobb card itself is real and was removed from an authentic holder(trimmed or recolored or whatever) and placed in a fake psa holder and flip to upgrade the card

That's a strange question. The obvious response would be: "Ask your friend - he has the card", but you said that he "lost his investment." If that's the case, then the card must be a fake, unless he thought it was fake and threw it away, but it was actually real. But I'm guessing that's not the case, or you wouldn't be asking us if it is real or not;i.e-someone is still holding the 'card', or this entire story is bogus.

Rather than present a mystery for us to solve without all the information, why not just tell us what you know from the very beginning?

[thunderdan]

Wow.

[xcgrammer]

This is an example of why this hobby is at risk unless these companies do something quickly to get a better holder that is more secure. Does any one know if they are gonna upgrade the cases soon? This is why I tend to like Beckett.

[CW]

Originally Posted by xcgrammer

This is an example of why this hobby is at risk unless these companies do something quickly to get a better holder that is more secure. Does any one know if they are gonna updrade the cases soon? This is why I tend to like Beckett.

PSA announced at the recent National convention that they are changing holder designs. It's the same size, and still stackable with older style slabs, but the new slab is more secure.

link to one thread over at CU discussing the new holder

[thehoodedcoder]

hi,

are the bar codes on fake flips identical or are they different and custom made?

kevin