How Rare Is This 1909 San Francisco Seals Postcard?

[prewarsports]

There was another on ebay 3 weeks ago (not postally used) that was poorly described and it went for less than 1000. I have seen more than 4 on ebay in the last 5-6 years. My guess would be 10-15 are probably circulating in the hobby and probably a few more in private collections etc. Still rare and desirable, but absolutely more common than 4 in the World.

Rhys

[bcookie]

Originally Posted by prewarsports

There was another on ebay 3 weeks ago (not postally used) that was poorly described and it went for less than 1000. I have seen more than 4 on ebay in the last 5-6 years. My guess would be 10-15 are probably circulating in the hobby and probably a few more in private collections etc. Still rare and desirable, but absolutely more common than 4 in the World.

Rhys

would you have it graded by SGC? do you think the extra $40 investment would pay off?

[scooter729]

Just my .02 but if you're planning on doing flipping for extra income while at a time when your wife is home injured, you might want to research some of these items a bit more ahead of time instead of after your purchase.

As for your question with SGC, I would say it's not worth authenticating it in its condition. I don't think there is any question as to its authenticity. Were it in nicer shape, I'd say to go through SGC to get a high number grade on it. But with the staining and creases, it'll have a low technical grade, and the SGC slab won't add much value at that point. Just my opinion.

[Matthew H]

I wouldn't grade anything PCL. Unless it's something that crosses over to other collectors, like a HOFer. Even then, I personally wouldn't. It's a waste of money as most PCL guys like stuff raw.

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by Matthew H

I wouldn't grade anything PCL. Unless it's something that crosses over to other collectors, like a HOFer. Even then, I personally wouldn't. It's a waste of money as most PCL guys like stuff raw.

I agree and don't think that most postcard collectors care about grading either unless they are trying to have a HOFers name put on the slab and treat it as a "card".

A number of these have sold in the past year or so and whenever things like this come in groups, the price paid for each successive one tends to be a little lower. My advice would be to hold it for a year or two and then sell it. You'll see a nice uptick and might even sell it for $1100-$1200 at that point. Right now, since we've seen a few, the profit might be small.

[Yankeefan51]

This is a rare post card, indeed. Including post card collectors and PCL collectorsthere are at least six known copies. I purchased my copy (SGC Graded 40) in a private transaction. Two months later a similar (but not graded card) was sold by REA. Since that time, including the card mentioned in this post, I have seen two additional examples.

I would urge the owner to have the post card graded. If grades it 70 or above, it should bring at least $2,500.

By the way, if you have further interest, look at a copy of the PCL memorabilia program which cataloged a wealth of the PCL material the San Francisco airport.

To ensure the best price, I would suggest auctioning the item in REA's Fall 2013 auction. If you do so, REA will have it graded. Very few of the remaining important auction houses truly understand the rarity, value and market for baseball postcards The other knowledgeable sources are Lew Lipset (no longer in baseball auctions) are Doug Allen andRon Oser


Good luck

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

This is a rare post card, indeed. Including post card collectors and PCL collectorsthere are at least six known copies. I purchased my copy (SGC Graded 40) in a private transaction. Two months later a similar (but not graded card) was sold by REA. Since that time, including the card mentioned in this post, I have seen two additional examples.

I would urge the owner to have the post card graded. If grades it 70 or above, it should bring at least $2,500.

By the way, if you have further interest, look at a copy of the PCL memorabilia program which cataloged a wealth of the PCL material the San Francisco airport.

To ensure the best price, I would suggest auctioning the item in REA's Fall 2013 auction. If you do so, REA will have it graded. Very few of the remaining important auction houses truly understand the rarity, value and market for baseball postcards The other knowledgeable sources are Lew Lipset (no longer in baseball auctions) are Doug Allen andRon Oser


Good luck

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Thanks for letting us know who the other knowledgeable sources are. I was worried there for a minute. For some reason this video reminded me of you Bruce....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWz_F_dPoc




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[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by Leon

Thanks for letting us know who the other knowledgeable sources are. I was worried there for a minute. For some reason this video reminded me of you Bruce....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWz_F_dPoc




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The gloves are off

[Shoeless Moe]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-Antique...item1c343deda3


that's a little weenie to say the least

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-Antique...item1c343deda3


that's a little weenie to say the least

Seriously, after all this you didn't pay for the item? What is up with that?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Leon

Thanks for letting us know who the other knowledgeable sources are. I was worried there for a minute. For some reason this video reminded me of you Bruce....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MmWz_F_dPoc




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O/T, but Leon that video had me cracking up It looked like a flying condom.

Here's a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w

Sincerely, Clayton

[3-2-count]

Originally Posted by teetwoohsix

O/T, but Leon that video had me cracking up It looked like a flying condom.

Here's a good one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhETObVI10w

Sincerely, Clayton

Hi Clayton. That would be one large dude who fits that condom let me tell ya!
Hope all is well my friend.

[teetwoohsix]

Tony!! How's it going? Hope all is well with you

Yeah, not on this planet

Stay cool, this heat has been miserable here in Vegas, and I'm sure it's a bit worse in your neck of the woods

Sincerely, Clayton

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Yankeefan51

To ensure the best price, I would suggest auctioning the item in REA's Fall 2013 auction. If you do so, REA will have it graded. Very few of the remaining important auction houses truly understand the rarity, value and market for baseball postcards The other knowledgeable sources are Lew Lipset (no longer in baseball auctions) are Doug Allen andRon Oser


Good luck

Bruce Dorskind
America's Toughest Want List

bdorskind@dorskindgroup.com

Lew is no longer in auctions???? Didn't he just have one.

[Jlighter]

Originally Posted by Shoeless Moe

Lew is no longer in auctions???? Didn't he just have one.

It was his last.

[bcookie]

well, since Rob is the only one that emailed me and it looks like others are going to come to their own conclusions, i will set the record straight.

i won the card on 06/26, Rob offered to buy it from me. i told the eBay seller i would pay TODAY. i did not check eBay or these boards all weekend.

i checked my email this morning and had the PM from Rob asking what is going on... that is when i realized the seller had not only relisted the card but also filed a NPB on me

I have already emailed the seller through eBay as to why he did this after he agree to wait until today for PAYMENT. i am still waitnig to hear from him.

[Bicem]

Rob should just buy it directly from the seller at this point, cut out the middle man.

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by bcookie

well, since Rob is the only one that emailed me and it looks like others are going to come to their own conclusions, i will set the record straight.

i won the card on 06/26, Rob offered to buy it from me. i told the eBay seller i would pay TODAY. i did not check eBay or these boards all weekend.

i checked my email this morning and had the PM from Rob asking what is going on... that is when i realized the seller had not only relisted the card but also filed a NPB on me

I have already emailed the seller through eBay as to why he did this after he agree to wait until today for PAYMENT. i am still waitnig to hear from him.

But you won the auction 8 days ago, why are you just "paying" now? When you buy something on Ebay you are supposed to pay right away or the next day. Or you should have contacted the seller immediately and explained it will take longer, does not sound like that happened.

If win something pay for it right away or contact the seller right away. Deadbeat bidder in my eyes, can't blame the seller for re-listing. And why didn't pay today? The invoice is still out there, pay it, then he'll cancel the sale.