P.H. Mayo & Brother Tobacco Co. Patsy Cahill

[RCMcKenzie]

Jay,

In 2005, REA was suggesting maybe 1902-1920, based upon the return address on the envelope from the studio that may have re-issued the photos.

Do you believe these are in that time frame, or that they are all later issues, or that the ones on ebay, including the one I purchased, are later than the REA one.

I'm not into it for very much money and it would not be the first reproduction that I've bought on ebay. The photo does not show pixels under a magnifying glass.

[autograf]

The two dimensional scan makes the paper look like an albumen type paper......which would be a good sign. Like Jay, I think all of those, including some of those Old Judge ones, were made well into the 20th century. With all of the things that have been done to create fake memorabilia that fooled even the most astute collectors, auction houses, etc, I would be very suspect of them as I think someone with the right knowledge could create something if they had the right negatives, paper and chemicals. I could be WAY off base but my skepticism level is high......

[RCMcKenzie]

Tom,

Thanks for the reply.

Here is the link to the auction that had the Gypsy Queen example...

www.ebay.com/itm/221234334125


It was also of a non-star Indy player, but I did not bid because I had already won the one the day before, and did not want to double down if they turned out to be not legit.

[oldjudge]

Rob--I couldn't tell without looking at it in person, and even then it would just be a guess. The Old Judge ones could have been made as early as the 1890s, or possibly a little later. I don't think they were made to deceive. I think they were produced to display the images on the glass plate negatives which otherwise were not readily viewable.

[RCMcKenzie]

Jay, thanks for the help/opinions on this card.

I will just file this one away with the other type card stuff. My guess is circa 1910-1920.

[timn1]

From a thread only a month ago -- amazing! And the player has been identified. Thanks much to all!

I have read the Lifson threads about these pieces, but again I'm not sure what the basis of the dating was -- does anyone remember it offhand?

The reason I ask is that the frame backing (posted again below) has the address 78 Pearl St., which is where Albany city directories list the Meyrowitz Bros. during the 1880s. (This is all from Google so you can check it yourself.) But Later Google entries (post-1900) seem to show them at 68 Pearl St. So there's perhaps some evidence that the piece (mine, anyway, if not the cabinet) might have been produced pre-1900.

[timn1]

I should have said that my piece measures about 1 5/8 by 2 3/8 (frame is 3 7/8 x 5) so it isn't exactly the same format as the cabinet-sized photos recently sold on ebay.