Ty Cobb

[Zone91]

Thanks guys!!

Post # 12

[cyseymour]

Notice how Adrian ignores anything bad that is said about Ty Cobb... only one possible reason... he is buying a Ty Cobb card off of ebay. This whole thing is so predictable at this point that he no longer needs to announce his pickups.

[T206Collector]

This is the article about the Stump lies...

http://sabr.org/research/georgia-pea...ed-storyteller

[tedzan]

Now, if you really want to read a good book on Cobb and Ruth, then check-out this one......





It starts with their rivalry when Ruth started pitching for Boston in 1914 and finishes with their friendship.
It is very well written and very well researched.


TED Z

[Zone91]

cyseymour

I am ignoring the bad simply because I want to see the good people see in him...no I am not buying any Cobb cards for long while. My goals for the summer are to add 20 cards to my 1952 Topps set and 2 or 3 new PSA 8 Mantle cards to my master set...again no Cobb.

Post # 14

[Zone91]

tedzan

Thanks I am going to buy that book.

Post # 15

[deadballfreaK]

Al Stump was the biggest liar and thief to ever come down the pike. He waited until Cobb was dead and then made a cottage industry out of writing sensational books and selling stolen and forged Cobb items. He lived off his so called closeness to Cobb for 30+ years. Cobb was no doubt an unpleasant man at times, a poor parent, a racist at least in his younger days, but also a brilliant and philanthropic man. No way was he the psychotic nut Stump depicted. The movie "Cobb" is entertaining, but based totally on Stump's lies.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Zone91

cyseymour

I am ignoring the bad simply because I want to see the good people see in him...no I am not buying any Cobb cards for long while. My goals for the summer are to add 20 cards to my 1952 Topps set and 2 or 3 new PSA 8 Mantle cards to my master set...again no Cobb.

Post # 14

"In 1907 during spring training in Augusta, Georgia, a black groundskeeper named Bungy, whom Cobb had known for years, attempted to shake Cobb’s hand or pat him on the shoulder." The "overly familiar greeting infuriated" Cobb, who attacked Bungy. When Bungy's wife tried to defend him, Cobb choked her.

In 1908, Cobb attacked a black laborer in Detroit who complained when Cobb stepped into freshly poured asphalt; Cobb was found guilty of battery but the sentence was suspended.

He once slapped a black elevator operator for being "uppity." When a black night watchman intervened, he pulled out a knife and stabbed him. The matter was later settled out of court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

There's a little history you might not find in his self-promotional autobiography.

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

"In 1907 during spring training in Augusta, Georgia, a black groundskeeper named Bungy, whom Cobb had known for years, attempted to shake Cobb’s hand or pat him on the shoulder." The "overly familiar greeting infuriated" Cobb, who attacked Bungy. When Bungy's wife tried to defend him, Cobb choked her.

In 1908, Cobb attacked a black laborer in Detroit who complained when Cobb stepped into freshly poured asphalt; Cobb was found guilty of battery but the sentence was suspended.

He once slapped a black elevator operator for being "uppity." When a black night watchman intervened, he pulled out a knife and stabbed him. The matter was later settled out of court.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Cobb

There's a little history you might not find in his self-promotional autobiography.

How much of this is based on Stump's book?

[auggiedoggy]

Originally Posted by Zone91

cyseymour

I am ignoring the bad simply because I want to see the good people see in him...no I am not buying any Cobb cards for long while. My goals for the summer are to add 20 cards to my 1952 Topps set and 2 or 3 new PSA 8 Mantle cards to my master set...again no Cobb.

Post # 14

But there's a beauty of a Cobb on eBay right now, red portrait with a rare Lenox back!!! Oh, c'mon. You know you want it.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1911-T206-Le...item3f25d1394f

[bigtrain]

I recently read Heart of a Tiger by Hershel Cobb, his grandson. Has very little to do with baseball but an interesting read nevertheless as it discusses the family dynamics, his two sons who both died young, in their 30s and 40s, and the relationship between Cobb and his grandchildren. There is also a little at the end about Cobb catching Al Stump trying to steal memorabilia from his study.

[whitehse]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Now, if you really want to read a good book on Cobb and Ruth, then check-out this one......





It starts with their rivalry when Ruth started pitching for Boston in 1914 and finishes with their friendship.
It is very well written and very well researched.


TED Z

Ted, thanks for the reccomendation. This has been on my list and it just moved to the top as my next purchase. I had read the Stump book previously and decided I was not a Cobb fan. After reading about all the inaccuracies in that book and knowing the fraudulent background of Stump I am now forced to rethink my idea of what kind of man Cobb really was. Hopefully this book will shed a different light on the man.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by whitehse

Ted, thanks for the reccomendation. This has been on my list and it just moved to the top as my next purchase. I had read the Stump book previously and decided I was not a Cobb fan. After reading about all the inaccuracies in that book and knowing the fraudulent background of Stump I am now forced to rethink my idea of what kind of man Cobb really was. Hopefully this book will shed a different light on the man.

Andrew

It's fast read (only 238 pages). Check-out the Appendix....Stanton has documented the game-by-game match-up of Cobb vs. Ruth
from 1915 to 1927.


TED Z

[brob28]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

This is the article about the Stump lies...

http://sabr.org/research/georgia-pea...ed-storyteller

Incredible, thanks for sharing that. I had no idea Stump was such a crook.

[Tomman1961]

What I loved about the Al Stump book is that there are 2. He wrote the first about 1961 WITH Cobb who had editorial rights. So Stmp had to write what Cobb said. After Cobbs death, Stump "re-writes" it - suposedly telling what the true stories are. A great read to read them back-to-back. Then there is the movie 'Cobb" which is the story behind the first book.

[Tomman1961]

I wrote my thing here on Al Stump books BEFORE I read the other posts. I had no idea the books are lies. I stand corrected. Too made. They were entertaining.