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Old 06-04-2013, 08:26 AM
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I have spoken to the ringleader of a large fraud ring in the hobby for over 2 hours, within the last 2-3 days, on multiple calls. He is the one that is behind the Den Prak stuff too..but this guy is allegedly in Mexico and is very slippery. He has allegedly had a warrant for his arrest for a few years.
I'm amazed that this ringleader will openly talk about his fraudulent business for over 2 hours with someone he 1) doesn't know and 2) would likely help get him arrested.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:36 AM
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I'm amazed that this ringleader will openly talk about his fraudulent business for over 2 hours with someone he 1) doesn't know and 2) would likely help get him arrested.
Believe me guys, it's a bit surreal when talking to him. He is calculated and very good at what he does. He says he is in Mexico, 2000 miles from the border. I think there is a 50/50 chance of that. He uses a Magic Jack phone so it's not traceable. He uses a device (very common) which changes his IP address daily. He says he has never had a bank account nad has nothing in his name either. He is an identity thief and counterfeiter. He said he has hundreds of SSN's and other credit card and bank information on lots of people. He told me he does it because he has to support his lifestyle and can't make the kind of money he does, legally. One other board member has had similar conversations with him and he confirms the same things the scammer has been telling me. This scammer is the mastermind behind Edwin Arroyo, Den Prak (jailed) and some guy named Hernandez as well as others I am not familiar with. They are all in the San Diego area and close to the border. This same guy is the one who was on our board when I banned him, and was registered as John Perez....then he told me he was Den Prak, but Den was already in jail so that didn't work out for too long for him . I kept telling him he should use his smarts for good instead of bad but I don't think he cares or wants to. He is quite cordial on the phone.
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I don't get it, Leon...how do you even get in contact with such a fellow...it seems so surreal?! Why would he want to talk to you?
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:42 AM
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I don't get it, Leon...how do you even get in contact with such a fellow...it seems so surreal?! Why would he want to talk to you?
He calls me or I call him. He has a new phone number every day though. As for wanting to talk to me. Well, I guess because I help run the board he feels his story is getting out or something. The other board member he talks to is a bit of a high profile person so I think he is intrigued with that aspect too. Why does an arsonist watch the fires they set? I can't get inside the mind of a person like that....but it is a bit interesting, in a morbid sort of way. United States authorities know all about this guy and my understanding is the Mexican authorities are not helpful in this matter.
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Thanks...I figured he calls u or u call him...what I meant is how does one initially make such contact?! it's just bizarre!
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Thanks...I figured he calls u or u call him...what I meant is how does one initially make such contact?! it's just bizarre!
Well, he was on the board for a while. Three days ago I emailed him asking him a question and the next day he called me. He has my phone number and email address (of course).
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i c...thx!
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