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06-01-2013, 03:40 PM
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Lance,
That is great information, I thought the date on the back was the publication date. This photo came out of the Cleveland Press, and the historical Society, which stores all of VanOeyen negatives, checked on this photo and they were able to come up with a match, with reverse image, but could not find the newspaper article. But I told them to just search the date or a couple days after. I wish I had this information then. Thanks Lance, we have more photos to research and with this information, this will help us locate the newspaper articles also. Here is the photo and the distorted copy from the Historical Society that they sent for us to compare. Attachment 101328 Attachment 101330
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Norm Cash message to his pitchers, the day after one of his evenings on the town. "If you can hold em till the seventh, I'll be ready" Last edited by billyb; 09-08-2013 at 09:22 AM. 
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06-01-2013, 03:49 PM
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Just keep in mind that the date the photo was shot, the publication date of the photo (if published), and the file date (literally, the date the photo was physically placed in the files) are often all different dates.
Last edited by thecatspajamas; 06-01-2013 at 03:52 PM.
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06-01-2013, 04:00 PM
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Thank You Lance, this thread has been very informative.
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Norm Cash message to his pitchers, the day after one of his evenings on the town. "If you can hold em till the seventh, I'll be ready"
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06-01-2013, 04:15 PM
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Had to do some digging to find a photo that had all of the dates, but take a look at the Bobby Richardson photo below for an example. The actual photo was taken on October 8, 1961 then transmitted "over the wire" on October 9 by The AP to the receiving newspaper (in this case, the San Francisco Examiner) who ran it in their October 11 edition of the paper, filing the physical photo in their archives the next day, October 12 (with a clipping from the previous day's paper of the photo as it ran affixed to the back).
So if anything, you would want to start with the file date and then search a few days earlier for the published photo. Since it would have been all in-house work at that point, I would think you usually wouldn't have to go further than the previous day, but I guess that could vary depending on the particular paper's practices. Last edited by thecatspajamas; 06-01-2013 at 04:20 PM.
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06-01-2013, 04:47 PM
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Lance,
Thank you, Good photo by the way. You have saved us, who knows how much time, in researching. OBC, Again I apologize for jumping in, I hope you found some information from my questions as well.
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Norm Cash message to his pitchers, the day after one of his evenings on the town. "If you can hold em till the seventh, I'll be ready"
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06-01-2013, 08:32 PM
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Lance ... in case someone else hasn't come forward yet feel free to sell your copies of the Fogel/Yee books to anyone else that is interested. I'm a little short of cash right now as I bought some baseball card lots earlier in the week. Thank you for your offer ... I will eventually purchase the book somewhere at some point! Also ... if there are any reputable sellers of baseball/sports photo's on eBay besides Yee that anyone wants to recommend I would like to see some of their auctions/listings. The few sellers I've found I know nothing about, but it's pretty clear that they are buying and re-selling old newspaper photo's. Thanks again for all the great info! PS: I see what you mean about some photo's having great composition that overrides any editing/marking issues. I've seen some really nice photo's like that! Also ... as a baseball card collector who isn't too picky about condition ... it looks like some of the photo's I see would fit nicely in my collection w/o breaking the bank. Maybe a great way to get a pic of Mantle, Robinson and other stars from the 1950's/60's that can otherwise be pretty pricey as Bowman or Topps cards!
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06-02-2013, 09:50 AM
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Photo's with and w/o editorial comments on front
OK ... I do have a new question about old sports photographs from newspapers. Perhaps I should start a new thread but will ask here for now. I am seeing many sports photo's being sold on eBay that include typed editorial comments on the front side of the photo. They are usually action photo's but not always. Would I expect to pay less for these photo's (perhaps excepting photo's of HOFER's ...) since there are markings on the front side of the photo? As opposed to photo's with editorial comments only on the back? I can understand that having the provenance of the photo being of value, but wondered that in general if the provenance were just on the back I would expect to pay more for a photo, than if the provenance were on the front/side of the photo or on the back AND front of the photo. Hope that made sense :-)
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