Hunt Auction Pickups

[npa589]

I didn't win this, ... but --- $6,500+ after BP??? Really?

I know it's upside down, and on the front, but, when I returned home and went to see what it sold for, I had to bat my eyes a few times to make sure I read the number correctly.

http://www.huntauctions.com/phone/im...11&lot_num=437

Anyone pick something up they needed? I tend to despise Hunt Auctions for multiple reasons:

1. Organization
2. Awful scans
3. Poorly described/inaccurate conditions
4. Many times they do not provide back scans -- which is important for people collecting various backs...especially for T206s


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[cfc1909]

Nate

I agree 100%. They could do a better job for their consignors.

When they had the Drum find it took 3 emails and a phone call to get back scans.

They get some really good consignments though.

The brown Lenox Lajoie
The Drums
The Red Suns in 2010
The consignment that had all the packs of cigarettes along with the cards.
The Cracker Jacks being talked about in a current thread and so on.

I am sure they are aware but it appears they are happy the way things are turning out. Not sure if anyone from Hunt reads the forum.

The t206 errors have come into their own over the past year or so. REA and Hunt are proof of that.

I am sure Johnny's collection has more than doubled in value in the past 6 months...

[npa589]

Originally Posted by cfc1909

Nate

I am sure Johnny's collection has more than doubled in value in the past 6 months...

Ain't that the truth!

Johnny: time to sell?

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[brianp-beme]

No one with a Brain would spend this much for one crummy card.

Brian

[mighty bombjack]

I don't understand that end price. It doesn't compute.

[Tobacco&Gum]

I think the price had more to do with the back. Someone got a really great card, congrats!

[Tobacco&Gum]

I guess I just outed the secret.

[mrvster]

If I had 10 k to dump, it would've been on that card, card sold for an absolute bargain imho!!! winner is extremely lucky....


ship immediately to sgc....(the one tpg that deserves to slab this card, no offense other graders, they are the ones to deserve to slab, as overprint piedmont front/multi strike piedy back....i'm sure will get similar designation...card is a big card and winner is extremely lucky....I am sorry Chris......my heart sank for you....

these types of scrap are like finding a diamond in sand.....the hunt is half the fun, but the disappointment can be painful at times...


whoed have thunk it??? 100 + year old chase cards....HA HA! I love these cards ...


put that card in Goodwin and i'm sure it would hit 10+ k easy...easy...right now




.......Nate, thanks man!!! my cards are worth more than cash to me right now, but a wagner may persuade me....you have become a true force in dealing T206...(.I love the flag btw)






Brian and the haters....you will see, these are like small pieces of art, true alternative T206,


one man's trash is another man's treasure, one man gathers what another man spills.......

THESE CARDS have only started , and will not stop...so might as well accept and move on....and, send me your email, I will take any off your hands

Jim...

your insight on this set and the market , is truly ahead of our time, and your understanding of these rarities is beyond many collectors scope


Congrats to the winner of the Brain card....may I have on weekends

and all other winners....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mighty bombjack

I don't understand that end price. It doesn't compute.

Agreed. A lot of people state these nutty scrap prices are bargains, but apparently only a few people are willing to pay for them. Who are these people?

[Jacklitsch]

My take is that the consigner didn't know the significance of the card and probably never will.

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

My take is that the consigner didn't know the significance of the card and probably never will.

Steve- when he gets his consignor check he'll realize it.

[cfc1909]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

My take is that the consigner didn't know the significance of the card and probably never will.

I think you are correct on this one Steve.

The consignor most likely did not realize what they had because I am sure they looked at the lot once it was up for bidding. They are probably extremely happy with the price not realizing todays error market.

Still enough collectors saw this lot or the hammer would not have been 6k. Still could have brought more with large front and back scans.

[Matthew H]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Agreed. A lot of people state these nutty scrap prices are bargains, but apparently only a few people are willing to pay for them. Who are these people?

In the last few years I've seen a few enthusiastic collectors not only buying these, but constantly hyping them in this forum. Most of the time, when one of these goes for an astronomical price, it ends up in the pick-up thread, or underbid with the usual suspects discussing what a deal it was (Hi Chris!)

In my opinion, these guys are a good percentage of the people willing to pay the price they are going for these days, and if those guys stopped buying, the price goes back to where it was a few years ago... 1500-2000

I'm sure this how the price of anything in the hobby rises, the difference being the amount of transparency in this case.

[tbob]

Originally Posted by brianp-beme

No one with a Brain would spend this much for one crummy card.

Brian

+1. No offense to the winning bidder but, really??? Some guy at the factory reports to work drunk one day and ruins a sheet of cards by running them back and forth in the press and 100 years later it goes for $6500?
Oh well, to each his own....

[Tobacco&Gum]

Originally Posted by tbob

+1. No offense to the winning bidder but, really??? Some guy at the factory reports to work drunk one day and ruins a sheet of cards by running them back and forth in the press and 100 years later it goes for $6500?
Oh well, to each his own....

I've heard that these sheets were perhaps used to calibrate the press, so the printer used it again and again to do so. When the back was too covered he flipped it over and used the other side. Then someone rescued them for the printer's floor, and over 100 years later here they are.

If this is in fact the case, these cards are extremely unique to the set, and a huge part of the sets history. JMO

[atx840]

I was the underbidder and it was a deal at the final price. It has quite the secret.

[t206hound]

Wowsers! I saw that there was a WST on the front... But never would have guessed that was on the back. Honestly how can the AH not mention that in the listing or show back scans. At least the ghost that I picked up in a lot a while back was listed as a 'print anomaly.'

[toledo_mudhen]

Crappy Scan and Crappy Description......

[glynparson]

And I never would again. For some of the above mentioned reasons. I personally believe they cater to their buyer friends more than their consignors. At least that was my experience. Not mentioning a back like that in this market is truly pathetic.

[Jlighter]

COOL card.

I guess I have to start analyzing Hunt's crappy website, instead of their equally crappy Auction Catalogs.

[AMBST95]

Originally Posted by glynparson

And I never would again. For some of the above mentioned reasons. I personally believe they cater to their buyer friends more than their consignors. At least that was my experience. Not mentioning a back like that in this market is truly pathetic.

I have never consigned a card, but after reading the description and not seeing an image of that back, I would be furious if I had consigned this card. How does a card like that sneak through? I feel sorry for the card's previous owner, who just lost out on a healthy chunk of change.

[atx840]

The reason this is a deal to me, not necessarily for investment or future resale, but simply just to own it.

One that goes into the permanent collection.

It's scrap from the start of printing that back. It has 3-5 regular overprints and one upside down 4 corner back. Plus the kicker, for me, an upside down four corner OP on the front. A true gem.

It's a "financial" deal considering the recent sales of similar type scraps....but not a bargain considering how it was listed.

$7500 was the next bid with BP and that was over my limit. This one hurt more then any other I've missed.

[ullmandds]

I ditto what MAtt said!!!!

[Gradedcardman]

The freedom to express ones opinion. God Bless America !!

So did anyone here win anything else ??

[CW]

Originally Posted by atx840

$7500 was the next bid with BP and that was over my limit. This one hurt more then any other I've missed.

Being relatively new to AH bidding, the one aspect that sucks is the large bid increment you are forced to make once an item gets up in price.

Factoring in the BP makes it even more costly to place that one higher bid. I realize this is the way the game is played, but it would be easier to stay within budget and still win some cards if the bid increments were smaller (eg. $100 increments up to $10K). Maybe I'm in the minority with this thinking.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

Being relatively new to AH bidding, the one aspect that sucks is the large bid increment you are forced to make once an item gets up in price.

Factoring in the BP makes it even more costly to place that one higher bid. I realize this is the way the game is played, but it would be easier to stay within budget and still win some cards if the bid increments were smaller (eg. $100 increments up to $10K). Maybe I'm in the minority with this thinking.

At the same time, you are less likely to get outbid if you lock up a strong bid level.

[MattyC]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

At the same time, you are less likely to get outbid if you lock up a strong bid level.

Peter, this is so true. Just learned it first hand. I had one bid left to make last night and it wound up occupying a critical slot. I think that in large part helped me out.

[CW]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Peter, this is so true. Just learned it first hand. I had one bid left to make last night and it wound up occupying a critical slot. I think that in large part helped me out.

What did you pick up, Matt?

[atx840]

How does hyping cards as a "deal" we are the underbidder on help us? We are our own enemies by bidding against each other and continually raising these prices.

There are less and less of these out there and feeding our collecting need is getting tougher...so you save up, sell some other hot items and try your best.

We simply love these like everyone else who is a collector and some of us are passionate about sharing why we pick these up....a bit defensive maybe, part of the passion I think...I don't see a hidden agenda from the few of us on here to pump and dump our favorite items.

[ullmandds]

In this day and age...with price guides being outdated and archaic...the way prices of cards in general increase is by them getting bid up...and for this to happen there must be 2 bidders! The dynamic of pricing is sooooo different today than it was back in the day.

IT's harder than ever to really place a fixed price on a card.

[Jaybird]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

In this day and age...with price guides being outdated and archaic...the way prices of cards in general increase is by them getting bid up...and for this to happen there must be 2 bidders! The dynamic of pricing is sooooo different today than it was back in the day.

IT's harder than ever to really place a fixed price on a card.

Agreed. I like it better this way because you have to determine in your own mind what something is worth. You can use comparisons from auction sales, etc. but really it's left to what it's worth to you. I love it. You either want it for that price or you don't. To me it's somewhat freeing. And people can stop looking to a book for their answers.

To show how much it has changed, we were at a card show a couple weeks ago and Patrick had some cards that he had gotten long ago that were still in the old toploaders. the sticker had 2 prices and was divided in half. It was printed "Book Price" and under that "Our Price". How the times have changed.

[Gradedcardman]

Well said, Chris. Supply and demand. Basic rules of business.

[atx840]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

I will gladly pay $2,500+ for ANY signed T206 card that is not already in my collection

Originally Posted by T206Collector

collect what interests you, but I just don't understand how the interest here rises beyond a nominal premium.

Me neither

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by atx840

Me neither

Bring about $10,000 to the National and I'll give you a great deal on two T206 error cards.

[sportscardpete]

Originally Posted by atx840

Me neither

lolol

[MVSNYC]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

This is an interesting card, no doubt. But my rule of thumb on these printing "errors" is that if it happened in another set -- say 1930s Goudey or 1950s Topps -- would anyone care?

If the answer is "no", then why does the fact that it happened in T206 matter?

T206Collector- your philosophy doesn't hold water at all, IMO. you can't compare T206 to other sets. same question back at ya, can you compare signed T206's to signed 1950's Topps? no way. T206 is a special animal...you should know this.

[packs]

I would pay $45 for that card.

[Matthew H]

I could be wrong, but it seems like most of the 206 freaks that come up for auction, end up in the pick-up thread. All rare cards have a thin market. What's interesting to me is that most of the market for these freaks seem to be board members that aren't particularly private with what they are buying. They all seem to be friends, and I'm sure they bid each other up! The freaks are an interesting anomaly, and the group of collectors after them are interesting too!

[perezfan]

I don't personally see it, but maybe these printing error cards are just beginning to reach their potential (in terms of dollar value).

Such "freaks" are even more coveted in stamp and coin collecting, with a far greater premium paid for most examples. Here's one of the more famous ones...

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/Ho...rticleID=50832


Perhaps Baseball Error Cards are finally starting build some steam and catch up? I believe that these anomalies will become more valuable/desirable with each year that passes (and may not always be so thinly traded).

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by packs

I would pay $45 for that card.

If I couldn't resell it, I wouldn't. I think the value is principally social, largely driven by this forum and people talking each other up. Just my .02

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

T206Collector- your philosophy doesn't hold water at all, IMO. you can't compare T206 to other sets. same question back at ya, can you compare signed T206's to signed 1950's Topps? no way. T206 is a special animal...you should know this.

If you have a 1953 Topps signed Satchel Paige or Jackie Robinson, I'd be happy to trade you a signed T206 for it.

Autographs are not everyone's cup of tea, but their interest level goes beyond signed T206 cards.

Printing anomolies in baseball cards spike wicked high on T206 -- why not other sets?

[MVSNYC]

The word is "sexy". plain and simple, T206 cards are sexier than any other set. you can't deny this, as you are a T206 "nut" yourself...you know what i mean. can't fully explain it, but the set has mucho sex appeal.

[CW]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

If you have a 1953 Topps signed Satchel Paige or Jackie Robinson, I'd be happy to trade you a signed T206 for it.

Autographs are not everyone's cup of tea, but their interest level goes beyond signed T206 cards.

Printing anomolies in baseball cards spike wicked high on T206 -- why not other sets?

Here's one way to look at it... you personally have offered $2500+ for any signed T206 not in your collection. Hypothetically, you'd pay over $2500 for a signed Harry Pattee card (likely much more), but if Mr. Pattee had signed a rare program or a vintage ticket, you would never pay that much for his signature. Part of it, as already mentioned, is the mystique of T206, and the crazy people that collect her.

[atx840]

We have seen common low grade Drums and RH hitting 10k+ prices, BL350s going to 3k. Two multi strike scraps this year hitting $6500,$7600 a miscut front hitting $4700 and one at $9600. Test prints at 9k. What would Leon's cards go for now? Jeff's miscut Cobb?

Johnny was predicting these prices two years ago when I started. Now they are a reality and we haven't even seen the BIG errors come up yet

Never say never.

For the record I don't own any of these crazy types, I highly dislike these prices and if it meant my error cards market value dropped to 1/4 but so did the rest I would be a happier collector.

[atx840]

It's a big set with a long print run. Millions and millions printed, very durable paper with bold colors that lasted. There are just more errors out there from that set....enough show up to keep people interested and keep The demand going.

Either you dig them or you don't.

The front scan showed enough for me to know it was a factory print and not a WST. That's all I was going for and valued it at 2-3k (that's low). I had a suspicion the back was also messed up as the front OP was upside down and off center....not a cylinder transfer but a true test print sheet.

Hunt sent me this and that's what made this card jump to the final price.

[atx840]

Nice one Sean.

[atx840]

Neat card Robert. A little insight into the OP print process.

[mrvster]

you have a very special card there Robert

never seen one like it

[Gradedcardman]

Very tough Robert to put a value on the card. I agree with the Master Johnny V that is incredibly unique. With parts of 4 separate cards and a HOF to boot just simply a great card.

[bcbgcbrcb]

Are T206's the only card set to ever have misprints? Don't think I have ever seen one on the board over the past few months that is not a T206..........