FS: T206 Ty Cobb Bat Off Green Apple Sov.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

Yes, I've seen several, Levi has one on ebay that's been there for quite a while. PSA has graded 15 at 3 or better with Sovereign designated, so I'm sure they have graded quite a few more than that. Yours is a nice card, but with the crease it is only a 3 in the TPG's opinion and it's not a rare card in terms of quantity.

So you're telling me there's 15 Sov green apples graded? I think not. PSA and SGC also doesn't designate between both Cycle backs, so does that mean there's tons of Cycle 460's of every card too? Not taking into account the Cycle 350s? Again, I think not.

[Shoele$$]

"Creases" go through the card, this card does not have a crease. Light surface wrinkles don't go through cards. It's been determined the card has most likely been soaked and pressed.

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

So you're telling me there's 15 Sov green apples graded? I think not. PSA and SGC also doesn't designate between both Cycle backs, so does that mean there's tons of Cycle 460's of every card too? Not taking into account the Cycle 350s? Again, I think not.

No, I'm telling you there are more than 15 and obviously what you think is wrong. The bat off with a Sovereign back is only found with the "350" back, so all that are graded are Sovereign 350.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

No, I'm telling you there are more than 15 and obviously what you think is wrong. The bat off with a Sovereign back is only found with the "350" back, so all that are graded are Sovereign 350.

Right, but AGAIN, what YOU think is wrong because you're not taking into account the much more common Forrest Green Sov. Which is also a 350. Read up a little more

[Mikehealer]

Originally Posted by Shoele$$

Right, but AGAIN, what YOU think is wrong because you're not taking into account the much more common Forrest Green Sov. Which is also a 350. Read up a little more

I don't need to read up any more on this.
The bat off is a 350-460 subject and the Forest green is not found with the 350-460 series. The Forest green is only found with earlier series cards(150-350 and 350 only).

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

I don't need to read up any more on this.
The bat off is a 350-460 subject and the Forest green is not found with the 350-460 series. The Forest green is only found with earlier series cards(150-350 and 350 only).

Right, that's what I was referring to, your numbers seem to indicate Forrest Green "on".

[Mikehealer]

No Glenn, they are what I said. 19 graded by PSA with 15 at 3 or higher all bat off. It is a fairly common card.

[Shoele$$]

Originally Posted by Mikehealer

No Glenn, they are what I said. 19 graded by PSA with 15 at 3 or higher all bat off. It is a fairly common card.

Present at least 5 examples for me. Because your figures and the figures from other sources GREATLY differ. If this card was that common, we would see at least 5 examples of previous sales. So far I've seen two.

[srs1a]

All Cobb bat off, Sovereign 350's are apple green. SGC has 4 in their pop report, but there are more in the "no pose" bucket. I have the lone SGC-45, which sits in the "no pose" bucket in their pop report, so I'm sure aboiut that. Exactly how many are there, I don't know, but there are at least 5 graded by SGC and I would suspect a similar (or larger) number by PSA.


edited to add" Exactly correct, Mike. We were typing at the same time.