1914 Baltimore News Babe Ruth sells for more than the T206 Wagner

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Runscott

??? How is the second card of Mantle the same as the first issue of Superman or Batman?

I don't know if Mantle prices will drop as people who remember him die off, but he's certainly no Babe Ruth, Gehrig or DiMaggio.

A lot of young guys forget that in the '80s baseball cards became fairly worthless compared to what they had been. Same thing happened to comic books in the '70s. So what if Rose was the hit leader and Bonds was the HR leader - neither has a card from the '50s or earlier.

I would certainly put Mantle at the same level as all four of those players from both a numbers standpoint and mystique standpoint (for lack of a better word). The fact that the 1952 Topps card is not his first card means nothing. In actuality it is his 5th or 6th card issued, but I would still consider it his rookie (but that would be a post-war discussion). I don't know anything about comics, but I'm sure whatever analogy Adrian made has some sort of baring.

The 1952 Topps Mantle card will never go down in value relative to the hobby, same as the BN Ruth and t206 Wagner.

I would personally consider the BN Ruth to be the most valuable card in the world right now. I would consider the PSA 8 Wagner to be the most valuable single card in the world and I would certainly consider the PSA 10 Mantles to be up there as well.. $1-1.5 million if I had to guess.

The 1952 Topps Mantle has much more value past the fan appeal. It is arguably the most iconic image in the hobby (certainly the most iconic post war image). Mantle will always have that draw to collectors, not just because his numbers or legendary power or his accolades, but because he is one of the most popular players to have played the game. He's not just going to go away.

Jason

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

but I'm sure whatever analogy Adrian made has some sort of baring.

OK

[Zone91]

Runscott

I just mean that even do Batman is not # 1 and Superman is that does not mean people will ever forget about Batman (By the way in the last few years Batman is becoming more popular than Superman it is a back and forth thing in the last few years). Or you can say Mantle is like the most important silver comic with Spider-Man's 1st appearance in Amazing Fantasy # 15 in the very early 60's if you prefer....Spider-man is and will be popular for a long long long time to come. You can then use Detective # 27 for the T206 Wagner and Action # 1 for Ruth's 1914 Baltimore news cards....no matter all 3 characters will always be popular even if new comic book characters appeared after them...why because they are legendary in their own way.

To me the 2 most famous and popular baseball figures are Ruth and Mantle just the way it is. It will never be Barry Bonds and say Derek Jeter (most likely to beat the all time hit record in a couple of years) just won't happen....the 52 Topps image is known by almost the whole planet and that says a lot about it's future....this can't be said about MOST other collectibles...I know I have collected comics and coins for years. Everyone I know in Canada knows what the 52 Topps Mantle looks like (same thing with action comics # 1 and detective comics # 27 and Amazing Fantasy # 15) and also know it's importance in the hobby....and we are not even a baseball nation like you guys in the U.S.

Yes Thor, the X-Men and the Fantastic Four have their place as well but not like the Batman, Superman and Spider-Man!!!

Like the Mona Lisa painting once a image becomes the iconic image of a certain hobby USUALLY it stays that way.

On another note I am not collecting for money so the future potential does not bother me what does is that Mantle stays a part of baseball history and that he his remembered as the legend he was and still his....I believe without the famous image of the 52 Topps (rookie card or not) card he would be much less appreciated in the hobby today rarely does a SINGLE card have such a impact like that one does...it's power to draw people in when seen the image is incredible....the same can be said about the T206 Wagner!!!

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[Piratedogcardshows]

Cool to see an Amazing Fantasy reference here.

[cyseymour]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Like the Mona Lisa painting
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I've seen the Mona Lisa, and a '52 Topps Mantle is nothing like the Mona Lisa. In any way whatsoever. Compare the Mantle to comic books all you want, I can understand the analogy there. But the Mona Lisa? Nah.

[Julz24]

Originally Posted by cyseymour

I've seen the Mona Lisa, and a '52 Topps Mantle is nothing like the Mona Lisa. In any way whatsoever. Compare the Mantle to comic books all you want, I can understand the analogy there. But the Mona Lisa? Nah.

Same here. Although I had to look over and thru 20 heads to get a glimpse.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Julz24

Same here. Although I had to look over and thru 20 heads to get a glimpse.

It was certainly a let-down. Fortunately there are plenty of photos of it that do it more justice than the Louvre display, although I understand their need to protect it.

I'm assuming it's still behind a thick piece of plastic - I haven't seen it since the '90s.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Runscott

It was certainly a let-down. Fortunately there are plenty of photos of it that do it more justice than the Louvre display, although I understand their need to protect it.

I'm assuming it's still behind a thick piece of plastic - I haven't seen it since the '90s.

I saw it in 1972. All they used were ropes to keep the crowds back. No glass, no case. They did prohibit flash bulbs, though. And for all the hype, it really was a letdown. Give me some Monets any day.

[Zone91]

I just mean that the Mona Lisa is the KING in the art world same as the 1914 Babe Ruth or T206 Wagner and they are not going anywhere even if a few generations pass away....I simply feel the same about Mickey Mantles and his legendary status as the modern day king of baseball....truly many have better careers than Mantle but no to many care about those players and that is why Mantle was a legend of the game he was bigger than the game and still is and will continue to be.

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[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Zone91

I just mean that the Mona Lisa is the KING in the art world same as the 1914 Babe Ruth or T206 Wagner and they are not going anywhere even if a few generations pass away....I simply feel the same about Mickey Mantles and his legendary status as the modern day king of baseball....truly many have better careers than Mantle but no to many care about those players and that is why Mantle was a legend of the game he was bigger than the game and still is and will continue to be.

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Too late Adrian, you've already got us running with a tangent.

Also, be careful - I think a few members are trying to trick you into wasting your posts on trivial subjects.