Super rare UZIT cards of the T206 "Exclusive 12" (460-only series)

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

It's interesting that ALL known test print examples out there come from this group. 8/12 have shown up.

Chris

The images I recognize on those backs are......Crawford, McQuillan, Willis (batting poses), and Lake (no ball), Sweeney (fielding). All 350/460 series guys.

Sooooo, what is this group of cards telling us ?

My first thought is that the American Litho. printer in preparation to do a press run of 350/460 cards, was doing a test on a faulty sheet (backs inverted)
of cards in the Exclusive 12 group.

What's your take ?

And, thanks for posting these cards.



TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Chris

Originally Posted by atx840

It's interesting that ALL known test print examples out there come from this group. 8/12 have shown up.

Ted

Originally Posted by tedzan

Chris

The images I recognize on those backs are......Crawford, McQuillan, Willis (batting poses), and Lake (no ball), Sweeney (fielding). All 350/460 series guys.

Sooooo, what is this group of cards telling us ?

My first thought is that the American Litho. printer in preparation to do a press run of 350/460 cards, was doing a test on a faulty sheet (backs inverted)
of cards in the Exclusive 12 group.

What's your take ?

And, thanks for posting these cards.

Hey Chris

I'm very interested in hearing your opinion regarding these test print examples; and, what they suggest to us with respect to the printing process ?

I have my thoughts as to what they signify....but, I prefer to hear your's first.



TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)[/QUOTE]

[atx840]

I'm really not sure Ted. Our thoughts on sheet layouts differ, but after spending a lot of time breaking down the entire set into sheet mates & groupings based on the confirmed examples I'm starting to see that there really is no one pattern.

I think it started with 150 players grouped and possibly printed based on ink layers required, players were added and removed throughout the print job, some only made it on to a few sheets near the end of each run (Plank) and thats why they are short printed.

Over the years as the series progressed more players/cards added, swapped in and out..a few sheets printed with each configuration and sent over to the back printing station with really no rhyme or reason. "Hey Joe, send this stack of sheets to the Hindu red press and these sheets to AB no Frame".

I really doubt that it was all pre-calculated out (500+ cards) and followed to a T....these were factory workers doing thousands of jobs.....I think the printers took the new plates (in blocks) and loaded them up, printed a few runs and mixed it up when new blocks of players came. Some blocks only a few sheets were run and then swapped out. No thought to how many of each to print etc.

This doesnt mean that we cant figure out sheet mates based on miscuts, back scratches, ghosts and test prints. I just don't think there is a magic #/pattern to it all.

I do think that the 460 series cards were all done on a 34 card sheet with multiple vertical stacks of players. The groups I've put together all add up to this #, and I think that smaller blocks of players were swapped out (possibly in blocks of 3-6) players for a few sheets here and there.

Maybe one sheet was run with a 6 block of your Exclusive 12 (only half or maybe even only 3) swapped out instead of the super prints for a few sheets and we see these super rare UZIT combos.

As for the test prints, why are there only these 12? Maybe a test print was done on your Exclusive 12 with most ink layers on a sheet that the other side was used to layout other cards.

I'm not sure sir....but fun to think about.

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by atx840

I do think that the 460 series cards were all done on a 34 card sheet with multiple vertical stacks of players. The groups I've put together all add up to this #, and I think that smaller blocks of players were swapped out (possibly in blocks of 3-6) players for a few sheets here and there.

As for the test prints, why are there only these 12? Maybe a test print was done on your Exclusive 12 with most ink layers on a sheet that the other side was used to layout other cards.

I'm not sure sir....but fun to think about.

Chris

A lot said there; and, I appreciate all your comments. Since the topic here focuses on the subjects in the 460-only series, my comments are as follows..........

1.....As I see it, the 8 different test print examples lend credence to my theory that the "Exclusive 12" were printed as one horizontal group. I think it is fair to
conclude that when we find the missing 4 subjects (Duffy, Geyer, Sheckard, Tannehill) these guys will be a continuation of this test print pattern.

Furthermore, if additional multiples of these (such as Pfeffer) were found, they will only be Exclusive 12 subjects. Indicating that the Exclusive 12 were printed
separately from the other 36 subjects that were printed with only 460 series backs. Indeed these Exclusive 12 are in a "League (press run) of their own".

2.....I do not understand your "34 card sheet" comment.....are there not 48 subjects that were printed with ONLY 460 series backs ?

There certainly are 48 subjects......apparently, you have not considered Red Kleinow (Boston) and Frank Smith (Chicago & Boston).

Subtracting out the Exclusive 12 from 48 leaves 36 subjects that were printed on a sheet of their own (not 34).


Take care....and, I hope to see you at the National this summer.

TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[jimivintage]

Was the McGraw Portrait w/ Cap in the 350-460 series and not the 460 series? I know all of his portrait w/ cap cards were in the 350 or higher series, but I'm trying to figure out his UZIT status. How many known examples are there?

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Was the McGraw Portrait w/ Cap in the 350-460 series and not the 460 series? I know all of his portrait w/ cap cards were in the 350 or higher series, but I'm trying to figure out his UZIT status. How many known examples are there?

T206Resource.com lists it as confirmed

There are zero in the PSA and SGC pop reports (not always guaranteed, especially with the older PSA holders).

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Was the McGraw Portrait w/ Cap in the 350-460 series and not the 460 series? I know all of his portrait w/ cap cards were in the 350 or higher series, but I'm trying to figure out his UZIT status. How many known examples are there?

Jimi

The McGraw Portrait w/Cap is a 460-only series card. It has been confirmed with at least one UZIT back that I know of.


TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)

[tedzan]

Six of the Exclusive 12 subjects are "newcomers". The other 6 are veteran Major Leaguer's. This focuses on the 5 rookies; and, "Big Jeff" Pfeffer [drafted
by the Cubs from Toronto (Eastern League)].

1910 newcomers



ROOKIES

Josh Devore....his first full season for the Giants in 1910, he batted .304; and, was a very effective lead-off player.

Russ Ford.......had a sensational rookie season in 1910, with a 26-6 W-L record and an ERA = 1.65 for NY (AL). The key to his success was his "emery pitch".

Chick Gandil....was acquired from Sacramento (PCL) and started with Chicago (AL) in 1910.

Rube Geyer.....started pitching for St Louis Cardinals in 1910.

Zach Wheat....led the NL in games played (156) in 1910 (his 1st full season). Zach is the Dodgers all-time leader in Hits, Doubles, and Triples.

and,
Francis Pfeffer......In 1910, "Big Jeff" returned to the Majors with the Cubs after having pitched for Boston (NL), 1906-1908. Pitched a No-Hitter (1907).



Veterans ........ stay tuned




TED Z
__________________________________________________ ______________________
LOOKING FOR these T206 guys to complete my AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 sub-set

AMES....CAMNITZ....CRAWFORD (bat)....DOYLE (port)....JORDAN (bat)....MARQUARD
McGRAW (port-cap).....McQUILLAN (bat).....TINKER (bat off).....WILTSE (port-cap)