Poll: Would You Make This Trade For a Ruth RC?

[sportscollector]

no way would I do this trade. I know that Ruth card is a great card but you are sure giving up way to much in my opinion to get it.

[pcoz]

Absolutely I'd do it. All those cards you have although nice cards, are all replaceable and found without too much difficulty. There are about 100 Ruth RC's known. The Ruth will appreciate a good bit more than those will and you can free up safe space. I paid 42.5k for my Ruth SGC 20. If its a nice 1, it's a 25-30k card for sure.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by pcoz

Absolutely I'd do it. All those cards you have although nice cards, are all replaceable and found without too much difficulty. There are about 100 Ruth RC's known. The Ruth will appreciate a good bit more than those will and you can free up safe space. I paid 42.5k for my Ruth SGC 20. If its a nice 1, it's a 25-30k card for sure.

My opinion is you can easily double or triple that amount of Ruths known. It is not a rare card....Maybe "scarce" because of demand, but fairly common otherwise. Included in my estimate are folks that have them and are not in the "new" hobby.

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Leon

My opinion is you can easily double or triple that amount of Ruths known. It is not a rare card....Maybe "scarce" because of demand, but fairly common otherwise. Included in my estimate are folks that have them and are not in the "new" hobby.

Hi Leon, its Joe T. and while I agree there may be some 150 to 200 Ruth rookie cards in private collections (give or take), the demand you mentioned will continue to exponentially grow far beyond the supply, whatever that number may be. Until the last several years, the true rookie card of baseball's greatest player ever has always been significantly undervalued, and it was only a matter of time before collectors began paying premium prices for the Babe's inaugural major league baseball card. How many examples are truly out there? 150, 200, 300...whatever. It doesn't really matter because thousands of collectors may eventually seek this card as it continues to gather momentum. Supply vs. demand is the ultimate driver of rising price tags and while not rare, there simply aren't enough Ruth rookie cards to satisfy the collecting community. Just my thoughts.

Best Regards,
Joe

[MBMiller25]

Matty, I probably wouldn't make the deal. I was faced with a similar situation last year and made the trade/sold my cards and have really regretted it. In fact it was one of the dumber things I think I have done. You know me and the type of cards I had, and I have had an incredibly difficult time trying to replace many of them.

With all the being said, I understand why you would be doing the deal, and in fact agree with the others that the Ruth will have greater value over the long haul. I just happen to prefer having more than one card.

GL, Matt

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Hi Leon, its Joe T. and while I agree there may be some 150 to 200 Ruth rookie cards in private collections (give or take), the demand you mentioned will continue to exponentially grow far beyond the supply, whatever that number may be. Until the last several years, the true rookie card of baseball's greatest player ever has always been significantly undervalued, and it was only a matter of time before collectors began paying premium prices for the Babe's inaugural major league baseball card. How many examples are truly out there? 150, 200, 300...whatever. It doesn't really matter because thousands of collectors may eventually seek this card as it continues to gather momentum. Supply vs. demand is the ultimate driver of rising price tags and while not rare, there simply aren't enough Ruth rookie cards to satisfy the collecting community. Just my thoughts.

Best Regards,
Joe

joe t. from nyc is obviously biased here because i KNOW he has 5-6 ruth rookies bought from before this card exploded the last 2 years.

to me it depends on whether the jordan bgs 9.5 would cross to a psa 10, but i probably still wouldn't do it. you can sell all those cards and just wait a ruth out (maybe even a nice 1.5 or 2). i'll put you in touch with a guy. imo a 1 is 15-20k which i still think is overpriced but that's the current price i guess.

[g_vezina_c55]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

joe t. from nyc is obviously biased here because i KNOW he has 5-6 ruth rookies bought from before this card exploded the last 2 years.

to me it depends on whether the jordan bgs 9.5 would cross to a psa 10, but i probably still wouldn't do it. you can sell all those cards and just wait a ruth out (maybe even a nice 1.5 or 2). i'll put you in touch with a guy. imo a 1 is 15-20k which i still think is overpriced but that's the current price i guess.

I saw 2 Rookie Ruth at Joe T table at the last boston show... 2 verry nice cards

[MattyC]

Joe T,

C'mon, brother-- just sell me one. I can gift you the loot today-- unless they are PSA 4s

Hit me on PM and let's do a nice deal!

Best,

Matt

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

joe t. from nyc is obviously biased here because i KNOW he has 5-6 ruth rookies bought from before this card exploded the last 2 years.

to me it depends on whether the jordan bgs 9.5 would cross to a psa 10, but i probably still wouldn't do it. you can sell all those cards and just wait a ruth out (maybe even a nice 1.5 or 2). i'll put you in touch with a guy. imo a 1 is 15-20k which i still think is overpriced but that's the current price i guess.

Quan...LOL! First & foremost Quan, I only own ONE Ruth rookie. I had two but sold the higher graded one last year. Secondly, your $15 to $20K range for a decent looking "1" is WAY OFF BASE. Once again, last year SCP sold a creased blank back PSA 1 fro $31K, Goodwin sold an "Authentic" that was missing serious card stock for $10K, and a Famous & Barr SGC 10 with TWO pinholes & a horizontal crease through the center of the card is approaching $35K in REA (with that same card previously selling for $40K to $45K in prior auctions!).

If you can get decent looking "1's" to "1.5's" for $15K to $20K I will buy hoards of them tomorrow!

[nolemmings]

There's a real nice Ruth m101-4 Sporting News PSA 1 in the upcoming Legendary auction. Some paper loss and discoloration on the back explains the grade, but a beautiful card nonetheless.

[chaddurbin]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

If you can get decent looking "1's" to "1.5's" for $15K to $20K I will buy hoards of them tomorrow!

i will defer to joe t. here then as i know he keeps track of this particular card. make me wish i'd held on to my 1.5. strange how 4-5 years ago the e90-1 jax and the M ruth was the same value...since then one has taken a nose dive while the other has 4x.

edit: that 1 is a beauty, i would give up all the gold for that one. mattyc got ur pm, i will contact the member that i sold my 1.5 to...see if he wants to 3x his money real fast .

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Vintageclout

Hi Leon, its Joe T. and while I agree there may be some 150 to 200 Ruth rookie cards in private collections (give or take), the demand you mentioned will continue to exponentially grow far beyond the supply, whatever that number may be. Until the last several years, the true rookie card of baseball's greatest player ever has always been significantly undervalued, and it was only a matter of time before collectors began paying premium prices for the Babe's inaugural major league baseball card. How many examples are truly out there? 150, 200, 300...whatever. It doesn't really matter because thousands of collectors may eventually seek this card as it continues to gather momentum. Supply vs. demand is the ultimate driver of rising price tags and while not rare, there simply aren't enough Ruth rookie cards to satisfy the collecting community. Just my thoughts.

Best Regards,
Joe

Hi Joe
You remind me of when I introduced myself to Scott Brockelman for the first 10 yrs I knew him. He used to laugh and say "yeah, I know who you are " ......It is a polite habit to have.

At any rate I absolutely agree with you. I just have a small pet peeve when folks quote numbers of copies when there are usually more than that. Many times I see the number of "approximately 50" when referring to T206 Wagners. Most in the hobby think the number is closer to 100, as do I. Regardless if it is 50 or 100....or 150 Wagners, the demand is off the charts. Same thing for a '52 Mantle. I bet there are thousands of them....but there are millions of folks that want one. Same with the Ruth rookie. Even if there are 300, the demand is off the charts and ramping up all of the time. No worries on any of these cards devaluing. I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes unless there is some extraordinary economic or world tragedy. Then it probably wouldn't matter anyway. Now, if there is a sudden spike in type card collecting then I will be happier. Otherwise I will continue to have some rare cards that don't hold a candle to many other more common ones, in value. (which is ok by me as I love what I collect)

[Zone91]

Leon

Well said Leon!!

Post # 10

[Vintageclout]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi Joe
You remind me of when I introduced myself to Scott Brockelman for the first 10 yrs I knew him. He used to laugh and say "yeah, I know who you are " ......It is a polite habit to have.

At any rate I absolutely agree with you. I just have a small pet peeve when folks quote numbers of copies when there are usually more than that. Many times I see the number of "approximately 50" when referring to T206 Wagners. Most in the hobby think the number is closer to 100, as do I. Regardless if it is 50 or 100....or 150 Wagners, the demand is off the charts. Same thing for a '52 Mantle. I bet there are thousands of them....but there are millions of folks that want one. Same with the Ruth rookie. Even if there are 300, the demand is off the charts and ramping up all of the time. No worries on any of these cards devaluing. I don't think it will happen in our lifetimes unless there is some extraordinary economic or world tragedy. Then it probably wouldn't matter anyway. Now, if there is a sudden spike in type card collecting then I will be happier. Otherwise I will continue to have some rare cards that don't hold a candle to many other more common ones, in value. (which is ok by me as I love what I collect)

Leon...LOL!!!! P.S. - I can promise you that 99% of the hobby's vintage card collections have to bow to your extraordinary card gathering!!!