A Summer Gift - and I am tired of looking - Honus Wagner

[terjung]

Originally Posted by BigJJ

Steve,

Interesting.

I have never seen a Factory 30 Wagner. Do you know of a listing, or picture of one? Will amend the above after review.

Also, very good point regarding more vertical miscuts than horizontal. I will amend the above accordingly. What percentage vertical versus horizontal would you say there is? Important, as it would make a horizontal find that much more difficult.

Thanks Steve J

The Wagner from Goodwin's auction last year was one example. I'll try to find a link.


ETA: It was this auction, but the photos are wrong for some reason... showing a Ruth RC instead of the Wags.
http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...entoryid=21264


ETA: Here is a link showing front and back scans of it.
http://www.net54baseball.com/showpos...06&postcount=4

[BigJJ]

Thank you Brian, will edit the above.

[BigJJ]

Based on the link provided above, with regard to the 2 name 1 card, compilation, both the Mordecai Brown (Portrait) and Bowerman are the bottom half of the sheet. Therefore, the Wagner likely was on the bottom half of the sheet.

THIS IS WHY WE DO NOT FIND ANY - "WAGNER, PITTSBURGH" - ON ANY OTHER CARD. IT IS BECAUSE THEY MAY NEVER HAVE EXISTED. Wagner was likely on the bottom.

Under this framework, the only possible partial vertical Wagner would be his head.

Now the question is, what card was above Honus.

Based on the good work of the above thread, we know Magee was above Brown (Portrait) and that Chance (color? either red or yellow) was above Bowerman.

If there is a horizontal miscut or misprint containing Magee or Chance, we might identify who the player was that bordered Wagner vertically.

[BigJJ]

Brown miscut showing the above Magee. Piedmont, 150 Series, Factory 25.
If the owner of the Bowerman/Chance, also would post a picture, front and back, it would be much appreciated.

[BigJJ]

The Bowerman/Chance is a Sweet Caporal 350.

Need a Sweet Caporal or Piedmont 150 vertical miscut of Bowerman.

The only Frank Chance that could have been in the 150 series was the red, not the yellow. So the only Frank Chance that could have been above Bowerman in the 150 series was Chance red.

We have evidence that Chance red was above Killian in the 150 series, from a double name 150 Piedmont card, have not seen photos of this card.

Taking this at face value, the card over Bowerman in the 150 series is either Chance red again, with their double printing Chance red in the initial 150 series. Or the card over Bowerman in the 150 series was replaced in the 350 series, likely with Chance yellow, the super card. If the card above Bowerman was replaced after the 150 series, the card over Bowerman in the 150 series, was likely a card ONLY printed in the 150 series.