FAKE packs and an FBI Fraud Investigation: What would YOU do?

[deadballfreaK]

Wow. As a pretty new member to this board I had never read any of this. First thing that comes to my mind is I always considered unopened packs the easiest thing in the world to fake. Especially wax packs. A little heat and you could open and close em at will. Don't know much about cellos, beyond my time as a collector, but I expect they could be opened and closed and easily faked as well.

[MBMiller25]

FBI investigation concluded
The FBI investigation is over after going through my data on how some stars
shouldn't be on top of certain packs and taking a close look and examining packs that i passed by PSA, the agents agreed that they were pretty bad jobs
in my part and they were surprised they got authenticated and in fact graded
one of the agents went on to say that i proved that Steve Hart
is bad at his job and being bad at his job is not a crime.

The downfall of this world will be the lack of morality in men!

It's amazing to me how this goes from you creating FAKE cello packs, to a "Steve Hart" doesn't know how to do his job. Steve is probably the most honest individual in a hobby that's littered with filth and fraud, and you come on here and frankly go out of your way to make a statement like you have above about Steve not be good at his job. The fact that your trying to play this out like you're some sort of crusader makes me want to puke.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

"So - you invested our life savings in PSA-graded cello packs? WELL HERE'S ANOTHER FINE MESS YOU'VE GOTTEN US INTO!"

[the 'stache]

After reading this whole thread, I feel the urge to take a second shower.

[CW]

I find it utterly and almost comically bizarre that rather than set up a website or mail-in guidebook in order to educate collectors about what to look for in manufacture patterns and pack sequencing, Jose would instead choose to create fake packs to slip by PSA in order to prove Steve Hart's inability to spot fakes, then allegedly sell them to unsuspecting customers for profit. ??? As if THAT will help the hobby and allow collectors to make educated decisions when buying these packs? ???? It simply does not compute. At least not to a sane person....

[HRBAKER]

It's an amazing hobby we have.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by CW

I find it utterly and almost comically bizarre that rather than set up a website or mail-in guidebook in order to educate collectors about what to look for in manufacture patterns and pack sequencing, Jose would instead choose to create fake packs to slip by PSA in order to prove Steve Hart's inability to spot fakes, then sell them to unsuspecting customers for profit. ??? As if THAT will help the hobby and allow collectors to make educated decisions when buying these packs? ???? It simply does not compute. At least not to a sane person....

Did Jose admit or was it ever proven that he sold the fake packs? In one of his recent posts, he claims all of the fake packs he graded are still in his possession.

[KCRfan1]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

Did Jose admit or was it ever proven that he sold the fake packs? In one of his recent posts, he claims all of the fake packs he graded are still in his possession.

I also read the same thing, that Jose still has the fake ( fraudulent ) packs. Good for him if he still has the packs, it does not sit well with me that he has made someone, Steve Hart, out to apparently be bad at their job. That is PSA's decision to make, as Steve's employer. Steve may, in fact, be very good at his job. Jose, you have NOTHING to be proud of or to gloat over. The way this has been handled by you is very dirty in my opinion.

[CW]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

Did Jose admit or was it ever proven that he sold the fake packs? In one of his recent posts, he claims all of the fake packs he graded are still in his possession.

I don't know what he has admitted or not admitted, but I did read this post from this thread. Judging from previous statements, and the fact that he was creating fake packs in the first place, I am not sure if I can trust either Jose's statements or his sanity at this point. I guess I can edit my post to say "allegedly" selling fake packs.

Originally Posted by pepis

Matty
i sold many graded packs to people (customers) in fact i sold you
a couple of them and when you found out about the FBI investigation
you acted like a scared boy and dump them to someone else, instead
of confronting me and PSA on the matter, as far as you know you sold bad packs to other people.