T206 Errors and Oddities.. Show Yours

[MVSNYC]

Johnny, with all due respect, i think your estimates are rather high on that scrap lot. All very rare and pretty amazing, but i think your pricing is just too high, IMO.

Regarding your comparison of "scrap" examples extant to Wagners, Planks, BL 460's, etc. Yes, they exist in very small quantities, but "supply & demand' is the name of the game. your scraps are so thinly collected, there are way more collectors that want Wagners, Planks & BL 460's then there are that want scraps. Mind you, i realize that more & more collectors are getting interested in these errors/misprints/scraps as each year passes, but collectors such as Wonka, Chris, Jamie, yourself and a few others are all battling each other and driving the prices very high. I'm not so sure too many other collectors out there can or want to battle you guys for them. So in actuality theres just a handful of you collecting these rare printing errors. For the money, they'd just rather have other cards, or not even try bidding knowing one of you will win the item(s).

Now, for the record, i myself actually LOVE these errors, and as you know i used to have a very respectable scrap collection many years ago (i was the first one to convince SGC to slab errors & blank backs, and list missing ink or upside down back, blank back, etc on the flips- true story)...no offense to be taken here, you know i think you're a super guy and have one of the best scrap/error collections out there, but i just wanted to respond to your post above.

Best-
MS

Edited to Add: As mentioned above, SGC wasn't slabbing such cards at all, so i convinced them they should slab them "A" and list the error on the flips. Had them do it at a show years back.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by mvsnyc

johnny, with all due respect, i think your estimates are rather high on that scrap lot. All very rare and pretty amazing, but i think your pricing is just too high, imo.

Regarding your comparison of "scrap" examples extant to wagners, planks, bl 460's, etc. Yes, they exist in very small quantities, but "supply & demand' is the name of the game. Your scraps are so thinly collected, there are way more collectors that want wagners, planks & bl 460's then there are that want scraps. Mind you, i realize that more & more collectors are getting interested in these errors/misprints/scraps as each year passes, but collectors such as wonka, chris, jamie, yourself and a few others are all battling each other and driving the prices very high. I'm not so sure too many other collectors out there can or want to battle you guys for them. So in actuality theres just a handful of you collecting these rare printing errors. For the money, they'd just rather have other cards, or not even try bidding knowing one of you will win the item(s).

Now, for the record, i myself actually love these errors, and as you know i used to have a very respectable scrap collection many years ago (i was the first one to convince sgc to slab errors & blank backs, and list missing ink or upside down back, blank back, etc on the flips- true story)...no offense to be taken here, you know i think you're a super guy and have one of the best scrap/error collections out there, but i just wanted to respond to your post above.

Best-
ms

big +1

[Bpm0014]

Runscott, I've had that Tinker for 20+ years. I got it for $20 I think. But yes, I did get it for a good price. haha Did another sell recently? I'm curious for how much?

[Tobacco&Gum]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Runscott, I've had that Tinker for 20+ years. I got it for $20 I think. But yes, I did get it for a good price. haha Did another sell recently? I'm curious for how much?

This one sold a week or so ago on the bay for $260, but wasn't listed properly. I was the under bidder.............I'm always the under bidder

[Bpm0014]

Much nicer than mine too!

[mrvster]

first of all, let me start out by saying it's too difficult to truly put a price on items that are truly one of a kind, or of a handful known to exist.....rarity doesn't always equal value, especially when talking freak/scraps.....

Mike-

you are one of the collectors from back in the day who I looked up to, and still do.....we still are not on the same page when pricing these, but I think that is in part to your being another pioneer of freak....you actually got me into these, when you were exiting, I was entering....(wow that didn't sound good").....well, there are more collectors realizing what these are, and the sky is the limit.....you saw them when collectors thought they were garbage, and didn't give them the respect, o how the tables have turned....


These cards, I am going out on a limb and truly speaking my mind, are the niche of the future T206 advanced collector who has everything and wants that X factor that TRULY sets their set apart....These are the future....When you have everything you want in the monster besides Wagner, Doyle, Ect, where are you going to turn?? if you have rare backs....YOU WANT MORE....these cards will fill that gap, because not many can have them....GUESS WHAT...try to find 'em....

money can't always buy these types of cards


Mike,

You are one of the best guys I know here and listen to my rants....just remember me if you get sick of any of your blank backs or scrap, I'll gladly take a low ball offer...

great to have you back....


btw....going out on a limb, can almost gaurentee that my estimate on that freak lot maybe double what I estimated in a few years...


Ya a Magie Is awesome, and I don't Own one....but Id rather have my Kruger Twins or even one kruger....



Time will tell on these crazy cards, but I hate to be the bearer of bad news to the haters, THE MARKET WILL GROW EXPONENTIALLY....


that means prices on these will grow exponentially....


Btw....

If the Hall was in REA with an opening bid of 5 K, do you think someone would bid???



We may never know

try to find another one

[Craig M]

I know the exchanges here seem to get heated but as a new guy on the block, I am grateful for the exchanges because it gives me insight and knowledge.

I also hope that guys do not delete their posts because each post sets a timeline especially when prices are thrown out there. If posts are messed with the timeline gets interrupted.

I do want to say that as the economy gets better I will be a good customer to the guys that have the freaks/scraps/miscuts etc and will pay good money because that stuff is drying up.

Regards,

Craig

[mrvster]

You have been a great addition to the freak army and I welcome you....

Chris B,

I must apologize if I sounded out of line.....I'm so passionate about my scraps and cards, everyone is truly entitled to their opinions and pricing, but you know the deal.....

[mrvster]

That freak collection you have is RIDICULOUS!

[MVSNYC]

Craig- nothing is heated here at all, just some great dialogue between knowledgable collectors.

Johnny- i hear ya brother, i certainly see your point. my old Knight Portrait (drastic) miscut (that Wonka now owns) i got from another board member about 5 years ago for $700. i've asked Wonka many times to buy it back, nope, it's in his vault (c'mon Wonks, whata say bud? )...today the Doolin miscut in REA is already at $4500 w/ juice, so i definitely hear you. i admit, you are certainly more in tune to the market for these things nowadays, but i just can't fully see some of the prices you quoted- ("$8K each" type of talk)...but who really knows.

You're a gem, never change!

[Gradedcardman]

One of these posts were deleted which is where this latest exchange started. I saw it before this got more in depth. For the prices that were stated, I'll take all of them you have, everyone of them. Shoot me your list and those prices are not an issue.

Great cards everyone who has them in their personal collections. The sky is the limit at this point on these crazy cards !!

[fmcjfc]

Man, I don't know what you guys see in these cards. To me they are hard to look at, like disfigured children or something.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by fmcjfc

Man, I don't know what you guys see in these cards. To me they are hard to look at, like disfigured children or something.

Cards like this should get some love, too, no? Personally, I love them because they are different.

To each their own, of course.

EDITED TO ADD: you need to quit posting so often.

Best regards,

Eric

[mrvster]

that's the beauty of them.....like the land of the misfit toys!!!

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by mrvster

that's the beauty of them.....like the land of the misfit toys!!!

Johnny,

I couldn't agree more.

BTW...my transformation to the Dark Side is nearly complete. I find myself searching the bay (and the BST) for these "misfits" more and more each day.

Guess I am addicted to the outliers of the T206 set. Frankly, I didn't see it coming; however, I do like the oddball cards.

Out of curiosity, are the Piedmont 150 series cards more likely to contain color shifts, print errors, etc? I only ask because you are the resident expert on these matters and I am looking to delve deeper into the "freaks" of T206.

Please let me know. Hope all is well.

Best regards,

Eric

[mrvster]

Yes!! That's how it starts....you look for little ones at first....then it only snowballs! regular T206 start to look "strange" and the freaks take on a new beauty....

it's like a treasure hunt.....wait until one day you get a huge haul like a printer scrap

and yes, in the 150 series, there are more probabilities of the freaks from the early learning curve of the printers....

BTW....thanks for the kind words.....you have become a great poster and a great hunter! please email me with any questions on these beauties...

glad to have you in the community and look forward to your posts....

keep looking for that "Frank in the box"

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by mrvster

Yes!! That's how it starts....you look for little ones at first....then it only snowballs! regular T206 start to look "strange" and the freaks take on a new beauty....

it's like a treasure hunt.....wait until one day you get a huge haul like a printer scrap

and yes, in the 150 series, there are more probabilities of the freaks from the early learning curve of the printers....

BTW....thanks for the kind words.....you have become a great poster and a great hunter! please email me with any questions on these beauties...

glad to have you in the community and look forward to your posts....

keep looking for that "Frank in the box"

Johnny,

Thank you very much. I appreciate your feedback.

Here's another T206 that I picked up which could be considered a bit of a "freak," due to the color shift.

Hope all is well.

Best regards,

Eric