Gentleman James (Jim) Corbett authenticity opinions

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by shelly

Why is it when you want an opinion some one thinks that its a gotcha. I dont care if any tpa said it is good. I would trust Travis when it comes to boxing over anyone on this site or to be honest anyone.
Trust me it is like taking a pice of chalk and scraping it on a board. It really hurts that much to say that

because there has been too many gotcha's in the past. that's why.


whats kind of weird is that authenticity answers are looked at with a time limit, and people want them fast, but there is no rush. getting it right is most important, not turn around, the tpa's are in a race to turn it around the fastest, at the sake of accuracy in my opinion. the one who turns it around the fastest, gets the business because collectors believe they can do the job real fast, and give an accurate opinion, but the collectors don't know what the real deal is. go fast, and make too many mistakes.

[thenavarro]

One thing I've learned from Travis is that the two primary TPA's are not really too proficient concerning boxing autographs. That's why I posted my Corbett photo here, rather then throwing the picture up on ebay and doing a "quick opinion".

From examples I've looked at online, I feel fairly confident that my Corbett photo would pass PSA/DNA and/or JSA, however, I'd rather know whether or not it's authentic, as opposed to whether or not it would pass a TPA.

Mike

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

From examples I've looked at online, I feel fairly confident that my Corbett photo would pass PSA/DNA and/or JSA, however, I'd rather know whether or not it's authentic, as opposed to whether or not it would pass a TPA.

Mike

Mike,
So when it comes to boxing autographs you don't trust the Ouija board that is in Newport Beach?

[shelly]

That is the question. If you dont trust there opinion on boxing what make's them the expert in baseball,football, tennis, soccer, and all forms of the entertainment side.? It is an opinion. They never say it is authentic and take it to the bank.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by shelly

That is the question. If you dont trust there opinion on boxing what make's them the expert in baseball,football, tennis, soccer, and all forms of the entertainment side.? It is an opinion. They never say it is authentic and take it to the bank.

Ive got zero interest in addressing that. There are enough threads on here where people can discuss that. Im just looking to find out if my Corbett is authentic or not. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Sean1125]

Originally Posted by shelly

That is the question. If you dont trust there opinion on boxing what make's them the expert in baseball,football, tennis, soccer, and all forms of the entertainment side.? It is an opinion. They never say it is authentic and take it to the bank.

Shelly, to be objective here - is Travis an expert in baseball, football, tennis, etc? I have asked Travis' opinion on boxing before and I would consider it a definitive answer.

I trust PSA on the majority of baseball to get it right but I would trust several members on these boards opinion much more than any mainstream authenticator.

[thenavarro]

Did find out from a member that there was a stage actor and director named Frank Cooley during that time. Don't know if it's the same Cooley or not, but since Corbett apparently dabbled in acting as well, I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same guy.

[JimStinson]

Looks like no one has pulled the trigger on this one yet so I will. Corbett usually almost always signed his name Jas. J. Corbett, Unusual to see one signed "Jim", however, he had a habit of dating what he signed and a unique way of dating it , Month , day, a line and then the last two digits of the year. This one fits that , He had a distinctive capitol "T" in To to start the inscription , this one fits , his inscriptions were usually more lines than words (a couple words per line) This one fits , Ink seems darker than it should be BUT I'll guess this is heavy stock double weight paper which would absorb more ink and keep the signature dark these many years. Lastly disregarding the unusual "Jim" instead of typical "Jas. J." the last name is a match. So if any of the above makes sense In conclusion I'd say its good.
By the way Corbett wrote his own auto biography its called "The Roar of the Crowd" One of the best sport related books ever even if you are not a boxing fan its a great read. Corbett was very active in vaudeville as was the person the photo is inscribed to as mentioned in an earlier post. Enough supporting evidence for a thumbs up IMHO, Nice Snag !
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jim@stinsonsports.com

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

From examples I've looked at online, I feel fairly confident that my Corbett photo would pass PSA/DNA

Mike

I picked up my Corbett photo today from the post office. Previously unbeknowsnt to me, it already has a full PSA/DNA LOA that was included. So I was correct in my assesment that it would pass PSA/DNA. And for those that would ask, no, when purchasing items (with a few exceptions), I typically don't ask if it has any certs with it. I try to use my best judgement first and for the most part, rely on my own gut. (as opposed to selling, where even if I feel or know an item is authentic, for items where a third party TPA will add to the final sale price and marketability, I will get all those authenticated by TPA's)

As mentioned in my initial post, I do believe this one to be authentic or I wouldn't have bought it, but I do know there are people with a heckuva lot more experience with boxing than I have. Hopefully, my disclosing that it is PSA/DNA, won't jaundice future opinions on it.

Mike

[travrosty]

we are still looking at it, i am getting mark o.'s opinion on it, and he is only available from time to time, so when we get a good hold on it, we will report back.


look at all the big tpa's, you wont find boxing specialists, and jsa certified that corbett signed cut last year that.... well, you know my feelings about that one.

[toybulldog]

A close-up on the signature and inscription would be helpful.

[thenavarro]

I'll scan it tomorrow. I'm spending tonight camping out in the outfield of Rangers Ballpark with my daughter

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by toybulldog

A close-up on the signature and inscription would be helpful.

Here ya go

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by thenavarro

Here ya go

Mike, I have no opinion as I don't know anything about Corbett's signature, but if it is real, it is SPECTACULAR!!!!!!!!!!!

[steve B]

Originally Posted by travrosty

whats kind of weird is that authenticity answers are looked at with a time limit, and people want them fast, but there is no rush. getting it right is most important, not turn around, the tpa's are in a race to turn it around the fastest, at the sake of accuracy in my opinion. the one who turns it around the fastest, gets the business because collectors believe they can do the job real fast, and give an accurate opinion, but the collectors don't know what the real deal is. go fast, and make too many mistakes.

I've got to say that while I'm not always on board with Travis opinions of TPAs, I totally agree with this point.

In stamps they don't specify any turnaround time. And the more controversial something is the more you need to send in along with it. In other words, sending in any stamp will take some time, I think 30-90 days. If it's something that's not well known sending in supporting documents cam be important. And that means it may take longer. And usually the result is "We decline to render an opinion" Which is neither good or bad just that with the current technology and knowledge they can't say with a comfortable degree of certainty. There's a group of Hawaiian stamps that are different from the known ones, but have supposedly good provenance. Multiple places have declared them as fakes, and finally they went to the royal philatelic society in the UK --- Which published a book explaining their opinion that they're fakes after 5 YEARS. (The group sold for I think 2-3 million anyway)

And yet, with a card or autograph the more it's expected to be worth the quicker they want it judged and shipped back out.
I get how a dealer might have a bit of cash tied up, and maybe the insurance co wants it in and out of the building as quickly as possible. But rushing the expensive stuff seems completely backwards.

Steve B