Is it real or not

[shelly]

This is what I am talking about. You think I set a trap. I asked what you thought if it was authentic or not no more no less. I think it sucks. That is my opinion. That is why this thread is so important. It is not what someone else thinks it what you think. Why would you say yes if you dont believe it. Because maybe a TPA says it good. Do you not have a mind of your own? I would also like to add that I will do this over and over again. This not a game this is what you spend your money on and your opinion means as much as anyone else's. It is never going to be gotcha because you are the one going to pay the money.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by shelly

This is what I am talking about. You think I set a trap. I asked what you thought if it was authentic or not no more no less. I think it sucks. That is my opinion. That is why this thread is so important. It is not what someone else thinks it what you think. Why would you say yes if you dont believe it. Because maybe a TPA says it good. Do you not have a mind of your own? I would also like to add that I will do this over and over again. This not a game this is what you spend your money on and your opinion means as much as anyone else's. It is never going to be gotcha because you are the one going to pay the money.

It's not that people dont have their opinions of whether it is good or not, they are just sick of setups, they dont want to have a 30 page argument because some tpa said it was good or vice versa. i am of the variety that dont mind someone who actually doesnt know or have an informed opinion coming on here and asking. but when someone has a strong feeling one way or another and asks anyway because they want to trap someone into an endless debate because a Tpa issued or didnt issue a cert, that sucks.

were you really on the fence with this one, shelly? otherwise why post it? to play around?

when i show a tpa mistake, i show exemplars, give my reasoning as to why i believe they screwed up, what i do NOT do is to show the autograph first asking everyone else what they think of it. i already know its bad, or good, etc.

spring the trap now. people are sick of setups. they are sick of what do you think of this one? i wish jim stinson well, he doesnt have to go through these anymore.

[Runscott]

It looks bad to me, Shelly. But it could have been signed when Ruth was either in a big hurry, drunk and thus in no hurry, woken up in the middle of a nap, hanging upside down, etc. So it could be real, as could any autograph attributed to Ruth. That's why so many weird ones have letters from JSA and PSA - Ruth was quite flexible about how and when he signed.

[shelly]

Travis, if you can read and I know that you can. I said it sucks. How much more clearer can I make it.
You also missed the point. I am saying what you believe is what you should go by and no one else should change your mind. Is that clear. Please just say yes or no.

[ATP]

TPA aside, if someone presented me this ball for sale I would not buy it. Quite a few things off from what I usually look for.

[shelly]

Scott, well spoken for a coffe adict. Yes or no.

[steve B]

I'll go with no. Not because of anything I see on the autograph, I'm glad I'm not seriously into them because with some I just don't see the stuff you guys talk about.

But that ball......Looks cheap and new. Like a very inexpensive ball written on and tossed around the backyard a while, and recently at that.

Steve B

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

Scott, well spoken for a coffe adict. Yes or no.

No

(only 2 cups today)

[thecatspajamas]

I think the "smells like a setup" mindset is because there have been so many of those "gotcha" threads lately, usually starting in exactly this fashion. Kind of like if you always use the newspaper to spank your dog, you might expect Fido to wince when you pick up The Times, even if he's done nothing wrong.

It also doesn't help that Shelly was the one who started the thread rather than an autograph newbie/novice who is more likely to be actually seeking advice.

[shelly]

This piece was at an estate sale on Sunday in Orange county Ca. It had other nice items in the sale as well. I did not like it but at $1800 if some of the big boys came on here and said ok. I might have bought it. I thank you for your help. I passed on it this morning.