Contesting REA Lot#132

[e107collector]

Jerry,

You bring up a good point - Why aren't these cards graded? I wonder if they were ever sent in for grading at SGc?
Tony

[HRBAKER]

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=rose+postcard

[slidekellyslide]

Without a doubt these were made by the team and not the Rose postcard company...I think it's cool that more of these have shown up. Saying that REA assigning these cards an ACC # is disastrous for the hobby is a bit of hyperbole though.

In 1907 Lincoln (or Ed Gagnier) took generic baseball postcards and converted them to player cards. I have only found two and they are both Gagnier.

[jerrys]

This is an excerpt of the reply I received from REA when I inquired about lot# 132.

"They are clearly Rose postcards and if one had to pick a catalog # for them it would have to be PC760 I would think but it is certainly an unusual issue to catalog for auction and I can see that someone else might do it differently (maybe create a "PC760-B" or something like that?)."

I disagreed with this opinion and responded so. There was no further communication.




Thx: Jon Jake Tom Barry Adam Leon Philip Barry

[Jacklitsch]

"Nine years later eight of the thirteen of these postcards are being offered in the current REA Auction - Lot#132."

Firstly, I would like to clarify this statement. The eight cards in the REA auction are not from the original thirteen we purchased in 2004. I still have ten in my collection and the other three are presumably still in the collection of one of our group who purchased the cards.

To make Jerry happy I will refer to these cards as "Homemade on Rose PC blank stock and not part of the Rose company issued set".

What I find interesting is that there was at least two of these sets created at the same time. I have compared the REA lot with mine and the pictures are exactly the same. Parentetically then I dispute that these are Type I photos as stated by REA.

The set is interesting to me, notwithstanding that it is not part of the issued set, in that it does in fact include identifiable players. Both Shano Collins and Harl Maggert are pictured as is Joe Connor brother of HOFer Roger Connor. I have confirmed that all of the players pictured were in fact on the 1909 Springfield MA Ponies team.

Here are pics of the thirteen from the original "find".





Here's Shano Collins:

[HRBAKER]

Well that might support the speculation that the team created these in some way. Potentially there may have been as many sets as there were different players with each player having a set. Most likely we'll never know.

The cataloging would matter in a couple ways though; to someone who is trying to "complete" a set of PC760 and for someone deciding what to pay for each or all (to the extent that whether they are regarded as a part of the set plays into their valuation).

[cfc1909]

this is pretty much the same thing as the e222 AWH cards. They were home made by Arthur William Havens. They are recognized by the catalog and should be.

Tim Cathey wrote an article for Old Cardboard explaining the details. These were the first t206 reprint. They are still highly desirable and collected by collectors today.

Probably other issues are similar and deserve an ACC designation. Burdick did a fine job with these type of issues.

[Jacklitsch]

While these cards may be considered "homemade" it appears to me that Rose & Company had to have something to do with their creation (other than just supplying blanks) because of the similarity of the name fonts, to-wit:

[drc]

It's plausible and perhaps likely that a local photography studio made the postcards for the team. Local photography studios purchased from factories their blank photo postcard paper and cardboard mounts for cabinet cards and CDVs. They usually didn't make those supplies themselves. It's plausible a studio purchased blank Rose postcards to make photo postcards for the team.

Also, it was not an uncommon cabinet card style back then to have an oval or circular area in the middle and the photographic portrait cut out and pasted in it. The image is often handcut.

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by Jacklitsch

While these cards may be considered "homemade" it appears to me that Rose & Company had to have something to do with their creation (other than just supplying blanks) because of the similarity of the name fonts, to-wit:

I see NO similarities between the two different fonts..other than they are both in English.