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[chaddurbin]

nash makes ridiculous assumptions and make huge leaps in his articles, plus he's got an axe to grind with REA...so it cheapens his message ALOT to me even if he's correct.

and it's true, when he says the "hobby" thinks 50% of tpa'd ruths are fake, he means n54. when he says "dealers and experts" agree the ruth is a bad forgery he probably means his uncle and nephew in new jersey.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

nash makes ridiculous assumptions and make huge leaps in his articles, plus he's got an axe to grind with REA...so it cheapens his message ALOT to me even if he's correct.

and it's true, when he says the "hobby" thinks 50% of tpa'd ruths are fake, he means n54. when he says "dealers and experts" agree the ruth is a bad forgery he probably means his uncle and nephew in new jersey.

Well-said Quan. There aren't many Nash-supporters on this forum, but apparently we've discovered two of them. You make a really great point about "the hobby thinks 50%..." being Net54. The fact that the non-Net54 part of the hobby is a different group with different opinions is critical - without the other group's state of ignorant bliss, forgers would have a much smaller market...if any.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by chaddurbin

nash makes ridiculous assumptions and make huge leaps in his articles, plus he's got an axe to grind with REA...so it cheapens his message ALOT to me even if he's correct.

and it's true, when he says the "hobby" thinks 50% of tpa'd ruths are fake, he means n54. when he says "dealers and experts" agree the ruth is a bad forgery he probably means his uncle and nephew in new jersey.

I agree. HOS looks a lot like a misquoted, poorly edited recap of a net54 thread.

New drinking game: Take a shot every time they repeat the same line or thought in the same article. Bonus: Two shots every time he pats himself on the back.

I thought better of it. I don't want anyone blowing a .30 before bedtime.

[jetsticks]

I was told to ignore Shelly because of who he is and what he's done. However, he accused me of going on Haulsofshame and talking about operation foul ball. I never said a word about that because until recently I didn't know anything about it. However, I'm starting to get the picture. I've never personally attacked anyone but I will defend myself when falsely accused. This includes my autographs.

As of today, neither Shelly nor has anyone else provided an alternative to this. I am putting them out there. No takers for authenticity? They must be real then because no one wants to look like a horse's ass when they are proven wrong!

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

they must be real then because no one wants to look like a horse's ass when they are proven wrong!

eom

[shelly]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

I was told to ignore Shelly because of who he is and what he's done. However, he accused me of going on Haulsofshame and talking about operation foul ball. I never said a word about that because until recently I didn't know anything about it. However, I'm starting to get the picture. I've never personally attacked anyone but I will defend myself when falsely accused. This includes my autographs.

As of today, neither Shelly nor has anyone else provided an alternative to this. I am putting them out there. No takers for authenticity? They must be real then because no one wants to look like a horse's ass when they are proven wrong!

Wow, I just wonder who would email you telling you not to talk to me
My past is well know. I have no problem with you bringing it up. In fact because of my past I am a lot more leery than most. Your the one who came up here. When you do you are open to the same treatment everyone else gets.
You have people on here that I am sure can tell you who might want to authenticate them. My question is if they have already been authenticated by Spence what more do you need.
Please show me where any one acused you of anything. The only thing that I know to be a fact. Is that your story is different from your mothers. If that is not a fact please tell me and I will retract that statement.
I do find it strange that any time I get to people there defence is my past. Just saying.

[David Atkatz]

Who the hell are you, Shelly, to be accusing any one of any thing? You don't know anything "for a fact," whether the autographs are good or bad, or anything about the family's story. This is the second consignor you've pilloried, with no evidence at all. Thankfully, both consignors have the guts to stare you--and your vacuous accusations--down.

[mr2686]

I'm guessing then that this isn't the feel good thread?

[David Atkatz]

Not for the consignor.

[shelly]

sorry

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by mr2686

I'm guessing then that this isn't the feel good thread?

LOL

[collectbaseball]

Over on HoS jetsticks said, "I'll listen to someone who has common sense but not to anyone else."

Anybody with a lick of common sense who sees these particular photos as a group should be skeptical, at the very least—even if they lack even a cursory knowledge of Ruth's signature.

I also do not understand this comment: "As of today, neither Shelly nor has anyone else provided an alternative to this. I am putting them out there. No takers for authenticity? They must be real then because no one wants to look like a horse's ass when they are proven wrong!"

I don't even know if there's a special Ruth authenticator out there (a la Frank Caiazzo), but send them on over to PSA or Simon or Keurajian or our own cloak 'n' dagger fellow and I don't think a single one will call any of them good.

If there is really a significant number of people on here who think these are good and want to spend their hard earned money on them, well... I'm off to buy a nice inkjet printer and a Parker 51. Got student loans to pay.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

I was told to ignore Shelly because of who he is and what he's done. However, he accused me of going on Haulsofshame and talking about operation foul ball. I never said a word about that because until recently I didn't know anything about it. However, I'm starting to get the picture. I've never personally attacked anyone but I will defend myself when falsely accused. This includes my autographs.

As of today, neither Shelly nor has anyone else provided an alternative to this. I am putting them out there. No takers for authenticity? They must be real then because no one wants to look like a horse's ass when they are proven wrong!

I can only imagine who told you to ignore Shelly,, and you believed him??
So nice of that person to do it privately and not do it on the board. But why be surprised by that?
What Shelly did was many, many years ago and most of the people on this board are in a forgive and forget mode when it comes to Shelly. Shelly has been one of the most helpful members on this board and I am glad to say he is my friend. Not only helpful on the board but he has done much work to stop the proliferation of forgeries in this damned hobby.
And how do you propose to PROVE someone wrong with those autographed photos. Nobody can really prove anything. Someone can give their opinion on them but that is all you can get.
And if you really do want to ignore Shelly there is an easy way to do it. The ignore option is one of the best things about Net54. Use it.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

And how do you propose to PROVE someone wrong with those autographed photos. Nobody can really prove anything.

Then perhaps they should stop attacking the consignors.

Because--and I'm sure you'll tell us, Richard--all the forgers you're aware of--whose names you dare not speak--join Net54 to defend their forgeries online.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Nobody can really prove anything. Someone can give their opinion on them but that is all you can get.

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The Babe Ruth signed ticket and the Eddie Gaedel signed photo were penned by the same person. 100%.

Is this being stated as opinion, or absolute fact?

[jetsticks]

Shelly,

I've stated time and time again that my LOP is accurate as what was told to me. If you ask a child a question will you get the same answer the next time you ask him the same question? That is where I am at. I am trying to protect my mother and her failing memory and health. Yes, her version was slightly different than mine but ask her again tomorrow and you'll get another version. That's all I'm saying. You don't have to come right out and say they are fake. Your posts and comments have indicated that. I have no reason to lie as I am not keeping any of the money. I have an ailing mother who cares for my brother who has MS and their home has been foreclosed on. There, I've said what I didn't want public. My reason to get them authenticated by someone else was to get more or less a second opinion. Not someone like you looking at a picture of a picture. I've brought a lot of embarrassment to my family because we are private people and don't think anyone needs to know our life history but that is something I will deal with. Choose your words more carefully and limit your attacks and maybe you won't be bashed so much on here.

[shelly]

I feel for your mother and I wish her only the best.


"Choose your words more carefully and limit your attacks and maybe you won't be bashed so much on here."
As for that statement the basing is limited to about one complete a hole.
Have a nice day.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

Shelly,

I've stated time and time again that my LOP is accurate as what was told to me. If you ask a child a question will you get the same answer the next time you ask him the same question? That is where I am at. I am trying to protect my mother and her failing memory and health. Yes, her version was slightly different than mine but ask her again tomorrow and you'll get another version. That's all I'm saying. You don't have to come right out and say they are fake. Your posts and comments have indicated that. I have no reason to lie as I am not keeping any of the money. I have an ailing mother who cares for my brother who has MS and their home has been foreclosed on. There, I've said what I didn't want public. My reason to get them authenticated by someone else was to get more or less a second opinion. Not someone like you looking at a picture of a picture. I've brought a lot of embarrassment to my family because we are private people and don't think anyone needs to know our life history but that is something I will deal with. Choose your words more carefully and limit your attacks and maybe you won't be bashed so much on here.

Shelly receives far more praise on here than bashing.