Babe Ruth?

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by shelly

Scott, Chris feels that bad Gudel is from the same person that did the Ruth ticket. You can make up your own mind. He was trying to show the open a on the babe and the open a on the other.

Sure, but he used a horrible example. If one autograph is a horrible forgery (Gaedel) and the other is much better (Ruth), then you have to think the open 'a' similarity was a coincidence. Chris might think it's the same person, but I think he's incorrect.

[shelly]

I will wait until Chris is able to speak for himself.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by shelly

I will wait until Chris is able to speak for himself.

Thank you, Shelly.

The Babe Ruth signed ticket and the Eddie Gaedel signed photo were penned by the same person. 100%.

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Thank you, Shelly.

The Babe Ruth signed ticket and the Eddie Gaedel signed photo were penned by the same person. 100%.

Then at least one of them is a forgery

[David Atkatz]

This is a page from the N.Y. Herald sportswriter Rud Rennie's personal scrapbook. The autographs were obtained by him in-person.
Note the "a" in Babe. It is open.

[shelly]

Chris, nice having you back. I think one thing you did not mention is that there is always a chance of a Babe Ruth open a. I am sure that anyone can find one. What you did not tell them that out of over four hundred documents that have been certed by more than one person or was a legal document contract, notary and checks. the percentage was 10 percent open a's to closed.
I know that when I posted the open a I was expecting people to do just that show the open a. I wished they took as much time to show all the ones that are closed.
Of all the certed open a's ninety percent have been authenticated by Jsa or psa what a surprise. I think before everything is said and done a few more people might come to the dark side.

Just to add something becaus of Chris being my friend. This site is made up of a lot of good people and I want to thank those that showed there is a time to be feisty and time to be careing .Death is a terrible thing and except for one or two people you showed Chris a lot of love both publicly and private. I can tell you that it gave both Chris and his girlfriend a great deal of comfort knowing people really cared.

[David Atkatz]

The point, Shelly, is simple. The gobbledygook you posted notwithstanding, an open "a" does not disqualify a Ruth signature.

[thetruthisoutthere]

Originally Posted by shelly

I will wait until Chris is able to speak for himself.

Thank you again, Shelly.

I just wanted to expand a little bit on my previous response.

Both of those sigs (Ruth & Gaedel) were penned by the same person as I have stated before.

Second, it has lot more to do than just the "a" in both sigs. And no, I'm not going to expand on that.

As for that Babe Ruth signed ticket, it's not even a well-executed forgery. I find it to be a very awkardly-penned forgery.

[thetruthisoutthere]

I als wanted to write that I have a much different perspective on life and priorities.

A few times here on Net54, I have posted comments that I now regret because I am a very emotional person. I apologize for some of those comments.

I will no longer "take the bait" from the few members (two) that light the fuse of my emotional responses.

That doesn't mean I'm not going to "be myself." I'm not going to change the way I do things. I have worked very hard during the last eight years training my eye for autographs. I also work very hard doing my research and the leg work necessary to find the information I need. Some I can share and some I cannot. It's not a personal thing. Some I share with my close friends and some I don't share with anyone.

I know other collectors who possess information that I don't have. I don't bug them to share that information with me because I know exactly why they can't share it and I respect that.

I also have many sources that share information with me. They trust me with that information and I have never broken a confidence and I never will. As a matter of fact, some of my sources are people that some of you would assume are at odds with me. And I share some of my information with those same people.

So if you want to make fun of the way I do things, or my name (thetruthisoutthere), or anything about me, I will no longer let it bother me.

To quote "I never did mind about the little things."

I will continue to be a member on Net54, as there are some wonderful and nice people here who simply want to enjoy the hobby, as I do. But at the same time, I will continue to do what I do.

Thank you.

[Leon]

Chris- I am still a big supporter of yours. I do wish the ticket thread would have had enough meat to satisfy others but I understand. Keep up the good fight. Even if you lose 1-2, you have won exponentially more of them.

Also, I hate it when I see people saying they are going to leave the forum (Jim Stinson recently). It is what it is though and this open of a board isn't for everyone. One thing that no one can say is that there are a lot of anonymous postings and people not standing behind what they say. I have put names under members id's almost daily. One of my biggest pet peeves is forums that allow anonymity of people bashing others. People say things they wouldn't say if they had to stand behind it. As you know Chris, some of the biggest names in the autograph industry are members here even if they don't post. I think what you guys do in helping expose issues does help your hobby.

[travrosty]

its all about chris and he provides no insight into these autographs. how did he help expose issues regarding the babe ruth autograph ticket, and how did it help the hobby? leon?

i still think it maybe fake it may not be, but no analyzation of the autograph was proffered at all. totally worthless threads if you look at it in its totality, nothing got accomplished. i will wait patiently for the screenshots that were promised.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by travrosty

its all about chris and he provides no insight into these autographs. how did he help expose issues regarding the babe ruth autograph ticket, and how did it help the hobby? leon?

i still think it maybe fake it may not be, but no analyzation of the autograph was proffered at all. totally worthless threads if you look at it in its totality, nothing got accomplished. i will wait patiently for the screenshots that were promised.

Did I say the Ruth ticket thread was great? Actually, I said if Chris (hi Chris) loses 1-2 (maybe the ticket thread, maybe not) he is still doing more than almost anyone in the hobby to try to help.

I always say if you aren't making any mistakes you aren't doing enough!! I also wish more information on the Ruth ticket would have come out....and since it didn't, I am not sure the thread was good or not. But even if it isn't, there is no way I can discount the other countless positive things Chris is doing. If everyone tried that much, and exposed a ton of bad stuff for every mistake they made, I would still say they were successful. That's just my take on it. I am sure some won't agree.

[David Atkatz]

Oh, this thread accomplished a thing or two. I'm sure it scared off some bidders, and cost an innocent consignor some money.

I guess that from now on baseless accusations are OK--we'll just call them "losses," while we call pointing out Coach's Corner forgeries "wins."