Babe Ruth?

thetruthisoutthere · #1 04-30-2013, 06:17 AM

[QUOTE=rscheck;1123692]

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

The deal isn't done by a long shot.

Contra Mr. Williams contra. The deal is done, and the check is cashed. To quote someone MUCH smarter than me, "you are a strange sad little man". You sit in your moms basement with your pasty white skin and you throw out comments about things you know nothing about (and yes Mr Williams, you knew NOTHING about this particular ticket). I am not sorry I am one of 9,833,360 people (go ahead look it up) who live in Michigan, one of whom would appear to be some forger you seem to know a great deal about (I am not him). I am not sorry, through my dad, I was fortunate enough to meet a woman that was kind. I realize in the world you live in these two completely unrelated events could never take place. The reality is the story I told is true. There are still people out there that believe in honor and integrity and if I thought for a moment this ticket/autograph wasn't real I would have pulled it from the auction myself. You see mr Williams not everyone is out there just to make a nickel (or in this case 214,000 of them). You offered up no proof, or evidence about anything you ELUDED to. Heritage never had the ticket in their possession prior to its sale, this other grading company that you mentioned never had the ticket in their possession to grade it before it went to H&S. These are facts.indisputable, hand on the Bible in court, facts. I offered to speak to you , you left ONE message and didn't have the decency to leave your phone number. I came on the forum and answered ALL questions that were asked and yet you continue to sit in your moms basement and pass judgement on me, a man you have never met. You also declined to pass along "information" that you supposedly had. If that's the kind of hobby you are involved in I will stick to running where people say good morning when they see each other and offer advise (okay sometimes its the wrong advise but their heart is in the right place).

Having said all of that I now feel better.

Thank you,

Thank you, Rscheck.

Your comment is very telling.

thetruthisoutthere · #2 04-30-2013, 06:30 AM

I'm curious why no one questioned the consignors admittance that he has no problem recalling every step of the provenance of that Babe Ruth signed ticket that was gifted to him back in 1992, but yet he (Rscheck) is unable to remember her name.

Is anyone else puzzled by that?

rscheck · #3 04-30-2013, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I'm curious why no one questioned the consignors admittance that he has no problem recalling every step of the provenance of that Babe Ruth signed ticket that was gifted to him back in 1992, but yet he (Rscheck) is unable to remember her name.

Is anyone else puzzled by that?

Knowing I was given a gift vs remembering a name from 21 years ago...really? I remember I got a Chutes away for Hanukkah in 1977 but I cant remember the name of my second grade teacher....I guess I didn't go to second grade.

Chris while I find all this back and forth amusing I am truly sorry for your loss!

slidekellyslide · #4 04-30-2013, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

I'm curious why no one questioned the consignors admittance that he has no problem recalling every step of the provenance of that Babe Ruth signed ticket that was gifted to him back in 1992, but yet he (Rscheck) is unable to remember her name.

Is anyone else puzzled by that?

No...this should be about the autograph only. Maybe he forgets his anniversary too? Provenance is hearsay, this is about the autograph. We know that you think it's bad, but tell us why. Is the "a" written backwards? Is the cross in the "t" too short?

travrosty · #5 04-30-2013, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

No...this should be about the autograph only. Maybe he forgets his anniversary too? Provenance is hearsay, this is about the autograph. We know that you think it's bad, but tell us why. Is the "a" written backwards? Is the cross in the "t" too short?

i would have to agree, it's back to autographs and if this one stinks, then people should say why if they claim to know.

slidekellyslide · #6 04-30-2013, 10:33 AM

The most frustrating thing about this thread is that Chris keeps going back to the provenance and is not dealing with what he thinks is wrong with the autograph itself. And showing a comparison to an Eddie Gaedel signature without saying a word about either one is not addressing anything. He's very open about discussing the provenance, but tight lipped about the signature. Why?

Runscott · #7 04-30-2013, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by slidekellyslide

The most frustrating thing about this thread is that Chris keeps going back to the provenance and is not dealing with what he thinks is wrong with the autograph itself. And showing a comparison to an Eddie Gaedel signature without saying a word about either one is not addressing anything. He's very open about discussing the provenance, but tight lipped about the signature. Why?

Yeah, I didn't get the Gaedel comparison.

My thinking on Ruth signatures, and it applies to this one: Any authentic Ruth-signed item has been around for 50+ years. Probably 50% (at least) of Ruth signatures on the market are forgeries, and many of those have LOAs. Everyone knows that if you want to sell a Ruth-signed item, it has to pass a TPA. So, if a Ruth-signed item shows up on the market with a new LOA, you have to ask why? At that point, all you have to go on is the provenance and the item itself. The ticket 'could' be good. The provenance is very shaky. If we manage to get over the ticket and the provenance, the autograph still has to pass.

This isn't about 'prove it is bad'. If it smells at all, and it's a 'Ruth', we generally discuss it in this forum, but...

There were much better ways for Chris to present his opinion - I won't speculate as to why he chose this route, but it was unfair to the consignor and the auction house.

shelly · #8 04-30-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Yeah, I didn't get the Gaedel comparison.

My thinking on Ruth signatures, and it applies to this one: Any authentic Ruth-signed item has been around for 50+ years. Probably 50% (at least) of Ruth signatures on the market are forgeries, and many of those have LOAs. Everyone knows that if you want to sell a Ruth-signed item, it has to pass a TPA. So, if a Ruth-signed item shows up on the market with a new LOA, you have to ask why? At that point, all you have to go on is the provenance and the item itself. The ticket 'could' be good. The provenance is very shaky. If we manage to get over the ticket and the provenance, the autograph still has to pass.

This isn't about 'prove it is bad'. If it smells at all, and it's a 'Ruth', we generally discuss it in this forum, but...

There were much better ways for Chris to present his opinion - I won't speculate as to why he chose this route, but it was unfair to the consignor and the auction house.

Scott, just to give you a hint. Look at the bad Gadel, open a. Look at the good one closed. Look at the spaceing compare the bad one to the Ruth.
Just saying.

shelly · #9 04-30-2013, 10:47 AM

Open a backward a spaceing and the h trailing. Just a few things that might make you think that it is not authentic. There are to many things wrong to make me believe.
Hauls of Shame voiced concerns about the Ruth ticket to Huggins & Scott via Twitter on April 6 and again via email to Huggins VP Josh Wulken on April 10. When informed that we had spoken with an expert and well-known author who had indicated that he could not authenticate the Ruth ticket Wulken responded, �I have no idea who that is and everybody has opinions.
If you dont know who he is talking about go out and buy the newest book on forgeries.

Runscott · #10 04-30-2013, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

Thank you, Rscheck.

Your comment is very telling.

He sounds like a wonderful guy. I'm surprised he didn't donate the ticket to charity.

Ahhh, what a beautiful Tuesday morning.

mr2686 · #11 04-30-2013, 09:37 AM

I think I've understood everything on this thread except the part right after I'm curious what the members here think of this Babe Ruth?

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