R E Question

[thecatspajamas]

Originally Posted by travrosty

the only pressure for consignor to pull them in my theory is that rea would have pulled them and consignor thought better of it and pulled them first so they wouldnt have a history of being pulled by the auction house. now consignor can consign elsewhere with the jsa certs and no history of being rejected by an auction house, just voluntarily pulled.

but if that is the case then rea was ready to pull them if the consignor didnt do it themselves and if the consignor wasnt ready or able to answer additional questions on provenance, so i think that the deflecting answer of "consignor pulled items, not rea" is just semantics. what do others think on this theory.

rea? what say you?

More likely to my mind is that when Rob further discussed the provenance with the consignor, the consignor got cold feet and opted to pull the items and sell them elsewhere rather than have the write-up amended to include the additional details. Presumably, this would only be the case if the consignor felt that the additional details would hurt the sale price of the items. This seems more likely to my mind than a "I'm going to break up with you before you have a chance to break up with me" scenario.

Both the consignor (and his buddy) and REA have posted here, so there is potential to hear both sides of the story.

[shelly]

It did not take the seller to make up his mind what he is going to do with the photo's.


I will attempt to either sell or auction them off again after I have them re-authenticated.


That was quick.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by shelly

It did not take the seller to make up his mind what he is going to do with the photo's.


I will attempt to either sell or auction them off again after I have them re-authenticated.


That was quick.

i dont know why having them reauthenticated would do anything for this consignor. they have jsa, people blindly accept jsa. i dont know why but they do. the only other option is to have psa cert them? we have seen others that have opted to destroy a piece rather than it remain intact (see ty cobb laser index card), where it has been surmised by some that maybe the reason the cobb guy wanted to do that is so there isnt anything to look at in the future should anyone in any capacity want to study it. (he said it was because he didnt want anyone else to own it thinking it's real) not saying this consignor is thinking about doing that because evidently this consignor still believes it to be good? but we will see if it pops up at auction again.

[jetsticks]

There was a disagreement between Rob Lifson and myself (Which I will not go into) and I felt it best if I had the 11 photo’s with autograph’s removed. He was very professional and apologetic for this misunderstanding. The photo’s with signatures are real as I can personally attest that they were in my family’s possession for over 30 years. I will attempt to either sell or auction them off again after I have them re-authenticated. If more than one authenticator deems them legit, then what will you skeptics say? How many people have to authenticate them before they are deemed 100% legit. I guess the answer is "infinite" as there will always be doubters out there. Evidently someone must think they are real as I have been contacted by others still wanting them. Is it so hard to believe that there may be legitimate autographs out there? Think about it.

[Runscott]

never mind - I went for the bait

[shelly]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

There was a disagreement between Rob Lifson and myself (Which I will not go into) and I felt it best if I had the 11 photo’s with autograph’s removed. He was very professional and apologetic for this misunderstanding. The photo’s with signatures are real as I can personally attest that they were in my family’s possession for over 30 years. I will attempt to either sell or auction them off again after I have them re-authenticated. If more than one authenticator deems them legit, then what will you skeptics say? How many people have to authenticate them before they are deemed 100% legit. I guess the answer is "infinite" as there will always be doubters out there. Evidently someone must think they are real as I have been contacted by others still wanting them. Is it so hard to believe that there may be legitimate autographs out there? Think about it.

If you had owned them for fifty years how would you know they are real. Your not in the business and some one gave them to your mom. I am not being mean I am only asking a simple question. I understand that spence said they are authentic. I am looking forward to anyone other than him to say the same thing.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by jetsticks

There was a disagreement between Rob Lifson and myself (Which I will not go into) and I felt it best if I had the 11 photo’s with autograph’s removed. He was very professional and apologetic for this misunderstanding. The photo’s with signatures are real as I can personally attest that they were in my family’s possession for over 30 years. I will attempt to either sell or auction them off again after I have them re-authenticated. If more than one authenticator deems them legit, then what will you skeptics say? How many people have to authenticate them before they are deemed 100% legit. I guess the answer is "infinite" as there will always be doubters out there. Evidently someone must think they are real as I have been contacted by others still wanting them. Is it so hard to believe that there may be legitimate autographs out there? Think about it.

But Lifson says he uses spence and trusts spence, and these have spence lola's, so what can the disagreement be? if you know they are real and they got certed by spence, whom lifson uses and trusts, why aren't they still up for auction at REA?

[collectbaseball]

Betcha they show up for sale again, but one at a time and without a story (and without 're-authentication' from any other third party that matters...i.e. PSA).

[BigJJ]

Rob did the right thing.

Whatever the additional information Rob asked for, and perhaps wanted to make public, was the correct way to go to resolve this firmly one way or the other.

If the autographs and backstory are real, why on earth would you not provide all the info in the world, to prevent the items from being withdrawn from a major auction?

Does the owner think everyone will forget? Or that each auction house has a totally different set of buyers? And that other houses will want to touch what was withdrawn from REA?

Even if someone is concerned about making provenance public because chain of title issues, deathbed gifts, etc., the only way to make certain you lose a good amount, or all, your value is to withdraw items from an auction.

To lose value (by withdrawing) because you are concerned that you may lose value (via legal claim) is really dumb.

The question is, is the owner's backstory true and he is foolish, or is the owner's backstory not true.

[Runscott]

I feel like I'm right in the middle of something big.

Hopefully James has gotten bored with me and is back to shilling for Dean.

[jgmp123]

Originally Posted by Runscott

...never mind

Quite the character you are my good friend...So me responding to Shelly about something posted here means what exactly?

Maybe you should send Leon a note and tell him that your "ignore" option isn't working that well....

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Runscott

I feel like I'm right in the middle of something big.

Hopefully James has gotten bored with me and is back to shilling for Dean.

Scott, I hate to say this, and please take this the right way, but back away from the coffee!

Reading through this, I think you may have misinterpreted some posts and jumped the track. James seems to be neither defending nor condemning REA, just 'reporting' on an item relevant to several threads here. I have never felt that James was another Travis or Bubblebathgirl. He seems normal.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming....

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Scott, I hate to say this, and please take this the right way, but back away from the coffee!

Reading through this, I think you may have misinterpreted some posts and jumped the track. James seems to be neither defending nor condemning REA, just 'reporting' on an item relevant to several threads here. I have never felt that James was another Travis or Bubblebathgirl. He seems normal.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled programming....

No offense taken. I reach a critical point every now and then, and when that happens I quit walking on eggshells;in fact, I find them and stomp them . I got bent out of shape when he posted the Rosemary's photo album, and then he complained that we weren't responding the way he wanted me to. I honestly wish I had ignored his thread altogether. But I've learned.

Some people don't realize that this isn't their Facebook page - it's a freakin discussion forum. It must really be frustrating to such people to not have the Facebook option of simply deleting unwanted responses.

Okay, I'll take your advice and avoid caffeine for a few hours. I do drink a lot of it.

[chaddurbin]

if i'm the consignor and i'm legit i'd be pissed off too. had these for 30 years, had them authenticated by a recognized top TPA in the industry. consigned them to a big auction house only to be told by some anonymous website with some quotes from anonymous experts saying they're poor forgeries. he's looking for answers, but in this hobby it's unlikely he'll get an explanation...much less answers.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Runscott

No offense taken. I reach a critical point every now and then, and when that happens I quit walking on eggshells;in fact, I find them and stomp them . I got bent out of shape when he posted the Rosemary's photo album, and then he complained that we weren't responding the way he wanted me to. I honestly wish I had ignored his thread altogether. But I've learned.

Some people don't realize that this isn't their Facebook page - it's a freakin discussion forum. It must really be frustrating to such people to not have the Facebook option of simply deleting unwanted responses.

Okay, I'll take your advice and avoid caffeine for a few hours. I do drink a lot of it.

Well, you do seem to be in the coffee shop a lot....

And I figured there had to be some back story, 'cause I wasn't seeing it here.

[Forever Young]

Originally Posted by thecatspajamas

More likely to my mind is that when Rob further discussed the provenance with the consignor, the consignor got cold feet and opted to pull the items and sell them elsewhere rather than have the write-up amended to include the additional details. Presumably, this would only be the case if the consignor felt that the additional details would hurt the sale price of the items. This seems more likely to my mind than a "I'm going to break up with you before you have a chance to break up with me" scenario.

Both the consignor (and his buddy) and REA have posted here, so there is potential to hear both sides of the story.

Plus one. It would be nice to hear why.