1911 sweet caporal t206 red murray portrait, "murr'y" variation! Extremely rare!

[Sean]

Adrian, sorry it took me so long to post. I hope you enjoy your new card.
But I don't think that it is as rare as some folks say it is.

[Bocabirdman]

I joined this party late and I have been trying to catch up. Someone tell me if I have thew facts straight.

1. We have a newbie who has come into a pile of money.

2. Instead of taking some time to learn about fakes and reprints, he has jumped into the deep end of the pool and is buying cards for large sums of money.

3. He has convinced various dealers to accept his word as to forth-coming payment. They obliged and have removed the cards from their working inventories. (I will glady pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today)

4. He has, at this point in time, neither the cards nor the money.

5. He has already canceled at least two purchases. I wager he is on at least two sh*t lists.

6. Every card deal discussed includes a dollar amount. Am I the only one who cannot remember a price in the monthly pick-up thread?

7. He admits to having a compulsion disorder that he takes medication for.

8. He has acknowledged, but ignored, numerous bits of good advice from a forum full of some of the sharpest baseball card collectors on the planet.

9. He most likely has posted multiple times since I started typing this.

10. I have completely wasted my time typing this.

A man jumps off the roof of a ten story building. Through an open window on each passing floor he is heard to say, "So far, so good.".

[Zone91]

auggiedoggy

No thanks I would no be a buyer even if the guy was a good guy!!! Just to much for a card.

[ullmandds]

mike...very nice...you should work for cliff notes!!!!

[Runscott]

deleted - Mike, above covered this topic (reneging on deals) better than I did - thanks

[Zone91]

Sean

Thanks Sean!!!

[Zone91]

Runscott

No it is not right...but also right at the same time (asked dealer if this is what they are going for and was told yes then came here and was told no multiple times)....you asked for a simple yes or no that does not work in this situation.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Runscott

No it is not right...but also right at the same time (asked dealer if this is what they are going for and was told yes then came here and was told no multiple times)....you asked for a simple yes or no that does not work in this situation.

Okay, to put this in context, here's the original question that you are responding to, and yes, "a simple yes or no" works absolutely fine. Your deal was with the seller, not with the board, and I think it's also safe to assume that your deal was not contingent on verifying the price with a bunch of people on an internet discussion board. So I'll take "no" to be your response to my question. Thanks - "no" is the response that I believe everyone on this board (except Flavious) would hope you would give.

"So Adrian, just to make sure I'm understanding things correctly: If you and I agreed on a price for a card, you told me that you couldn't pay me for a week and I am agreeable to that, I forego any other possible deals on that card since I KNOW you are going to pay me, then you go on an internet forum to talk about your deal and decide that you've agreed to pay me too much....it's okay for you to back out of the deal, because it's a good business decision?

Just answer 'yes' or 'no' please. As a seller in the above example, that's all I really need to know."

[Zone91]

Runscott

You can play the reverse psychology card game if you like....But my answer was NO....not YES!!!

I am old enough to answer by myself thank you very much!!! Maybe not sane enough do.....had to say it hahahaha!!!

[Sean]

Adrian, I got this one in 2005. It's an Old Mill back, and graded PSA 5.

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[Zone91]

Sean

Super nice looking card!!! 100 Times cleaner than mine for sure!!!

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Runscott

You can play the reverse psychology card game if you like....But my answer was NO....not YES!!!

I am old enough to answer by myself thank you very much!!! Maybe not sane enough do.....had to say it hahahaha!!!

Adrian - S-L-O-W D-O-W-N

I caught my error and corrected it immediately, but even as fast as I type, I can't type as fast as you are reading and posting.

Relax, man. I have to assume that you are conducting your business transactions (and decision-making) the same way that you are reading this forum and posting. Bad, bad way to do things.

[Zone91]

Runscott

I figured so just playing with you!!!

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

A man jumps off the roof of a ten story building. Through an open window on each passing floor he is heard to say, "So far, so good.".

The real question is, "Are we the people on each floor or the frenzied crowd gathering on the sidewalk across the street, taking bets on 'bounce or splat?'".

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Runscott

I figured so just playing with you!!!

Adrian- you have worn me and the rest of the board out. You now get 2 new threads a day and 15 posts a day. Your 15 can start now so it can be fair. That is twice as many times as I post a day and I post more than anyone. Use them wisely.

[wolf441]

Leon,

Can we set up a separate section entitled "Zone91 daily post summary"?

Sort of like the evening news, with just the highlights? "In today's posts..."

I have work that needs to get done, and these 17 page rants are killing me!

[Zone91]

Leon

I will respect those terms!!!

[Eric72]

Contrary to popular belief, apparently guys do enjoy soap operas. I have spent an (almost certainly) unhealthy amount of time watching this one.

Pulling out of here, for now. I have a cool idea for a poll.

And no, it has nothing to do with the OP. I simply wouldn't go there.

Best regards to all.

Eric

[Leon]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Leon,

Can we set up a separate section entitled "Zone91 daily post summary"?

Sort of like the evening news, with just the highlights? "In today's posts..."

I have work that needs to get done, and these 17 page rants are killing me!

See the post above yours...I just need help in implementing it.

[ullmandds]

leon...can you set a # of allowable posts/threads...at which time once exceeded...they can no longer post?!?!? God I hope so!!!!

[Cardboard Junkie]

Here's my take on Adrian. The man's got some dough, and likes baseball cards, and wants to talk baseball cards with a bunch of other collectors. Sounds Good! If he is playing games here we will all know in a week or two. In the meantime let's enjoy. Dave

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by wolf441

Leon,

Can we set up a separate section entitled "Zone91 daily post summary"?

Sort of like the evening news, with just the highlights? "In today's posts..."

I have work that needs to get done, and these 17 page rants are killing me!

I did my best to re-cap today's highlights....

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

I joined this party late and I have been trying to catch up. Someone tell me if I have thew facts straight.

1. We have a newbie who has come into a pile of money.

2. Instead of taking some time to learn about fakes and reprints, he has jumped into the deep end of the pool and is buying cards for large sums of money.

3. He has convinced various dealers to accept his word as to forth-coming payment. They obliged and have removed the cards from their working inventories. (I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today)

4. He has, at this point in time, neither the cards nor the money.

5. He has already canceled at least two purchases. I wager he is on at least two sh*t lists.

6. Every card deal discussed includes a dollar amount. Am I the only one who cannot remember a price in the monthly pick-up thread?

7. He admits to having a compulsion disorder that he takes medication for.

8. He has acknowledged, but ignored, numerous bits of good advice from a forum full of some of the sharpest baseball card collectors on the planet.

9. He most likely has posted multiple times since I started typing this.

10. I have completely wasted my time typing this.

A man jumps off the roof of a ten story building. Through an open window on each passing floor he is heard to say, "So far, so good.".

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by Leon

Adrian- you have worn me and the rest of the board out. You now get 2 new threads a day and 15 posts a day. Your 15 can start now so it can be fair. That is twice as many times as I post a day and I post more than anyone. Use them wisely.

Leon, He must have been slow out of the gate as he is ONLY averaging 14.63 posts a day

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Bocabirdman

Leon, He must have been slow out of the gate as he is ONLY averaging 14.63 posts a day

He didn't post very much for a lot of days. He is probably averaging 50+ a day lately. I think 15 a day will be bearable. If not, then it will be revised.

[bigtrain]

This is fascinating stuff. Lots of lawyers, dentists and doctors on here I know. Any psychiatrists? Just kidding.

Adrian, I have nothing against you, though I was somewhat taken aback by your apology to Nelson for thinking he was from the USA. You guys can have Justin Bieber back by the way.

Good to hear that you hope to pay off your mortgage. That does show good sense. I don't think of my collectibles as investments. Real Estate, stocks, bonds, mutual funds are investments. So, pay off your mortgage if you can, secure your future including retirement and then spend on what makes you happy. Baseball cards can be part of that. For some folks here, it is a big part.

Again Adrian, I don't know you but you seem to be quite a bit younger than many of us here. You will find that this is a very diverse group. There are members here who make $20,000 a year and others who make that much in a couple of days. Usually, we don't comment on how much we are spending because a) it is nobody's business and most of us know what cards cost anyway and b) it is nobody's business. In this day and age, it is no difficult feat to track down someone from the information they post online. It can be dangerous to let strangers know that you are coming into a lot of money or that valuables are being delivered to you. I wish you the best of luck but caution you to think about being more discreet.

[pawpawdiv9]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Cardboard Junkie

My goals are the following:

-Buy only the rarest T206 cards I can afford (I can't afford the Wagner like 99% of the population)....I also already own the Ray Demmitt St-Louis variation in SGC 30 (2), The Christhy Mathewson PSA 4 Dark Cap and Walther Johnson hands to chest in PSA 4;

-I prefer PSA & BVG for me SGC is my 3rd option;

-No not into collecting sets;

-I want to also collect rarer T206 backs but most likely only in a couple of years if they are still affordable that is;

-I want to own a 52 Topps Mantle in PSA 4 or PSA 5 and

-I want to buy as many 1887 Old Judge HOF players as possible with the best images I can find.

I would love to own a shoeless Joe Jackson E90-1 Caramel in PSA 1 or PSA 2.

That pretty much sums up my goals.

NICE WHALE LIST ^^^^
REA has a Babe Ruth (Rookie Card), suprise its not on your list.
They have a Joe Jackson T210, A Wagner T206 and a high end PSA 8.5 52 Mantle

[npa589]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmubwTmbXww

Probably doesn't even apply here, heh, but the explosion of responses to this thread --- almost entirely being unrelated to the original subject of the thread --- made me think of this quote. A great stupid movie...

I'll let you all know if he pays! I know it may seem a little unorthodox, but I do think he's an interesting guy and have enjoyed some messages back and forth with him. I think his personality may be the antithesis of my own, but life would definitely be a duldrum if everyone was like me.

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Contrary to popular belief, apparently guys do enjoy soap operas. I have spent an (almost certainly) unhealthy amount of time watching this one.

Pulling out of here, for now. I have a cool idea for a poll.

And no, it has nothing to do with the OP. I simply wouldn't go there.

Best regards to all.

Eric

Eric, you’re correct and you're one of them every time Adrian posts you're right behind him in the thread.

[wonkaticket]

Honestly I don’t see why all the concern over how this guy spends his money, how he spends his money or who he spends his money with. Who cares? Unless he’s doing deals with you what do you guys care?

“Ease” said it best. Adrian will either become a collector or burn out then sell his cards. I’ve seen about 20 people come on Net54 over the years and do the same thing.

I do agree Adrian doesn’t need a new thread each day for every thought in his head LOL. Adrian only advice I'll give you take it or leave it. Is you share too much detail on your deals.

It’s none of these folks business how you afford or buy your cards that’s your business. If someone asks me “how did you afford that?” or “how or why did you buy that?” I would say let me worry about that. You worry about what you have to pay for and what and why you buy. All the other info is just feeding the sharks to ask more questions…just my 2 cents.

Cheers,

John

[MVSNYC]

I'm liking this older, wiser Wonka.

John- you owe me a visit in NYC.

[wonkaticket]

Older: Check
Wiser: Not so sure

Meet up in NYC: Check, will there be beer?

[gnaz01]

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

Honestly I don’t see why all the concern over how this guy spends his money, how he spends his money or who he spends his money with. Who cares? Unless he’s doing deals with you what do you guys care?

John

John,

I completely agree! The caveat for me is that Adrian has 500+ posts and actually (I could be wrong) hasn't spent ANY money yet or actually have ANY cards in hand!

It's a train wreck waiting to happen, IMHO.

Greg

[MVSNYC]

John...beer you ask?

"I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... (silently) As-pen."

[npa589]

Mmmmm, California.

[DaveW]

I'm sure that's a movie quote that I don't know, but salmon don't really flock. It's the swallows that return to Capistrano each year. But I am interested in knowing where the quote is from ....

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

"I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... (silently) As-pen."

[wonkaticket]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

John...beer you ask?

"I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... (silently) As-pen."

See you in an hour!

[Cardboard Junkie]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

John...beer you ask?

"I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... (silently) As-pen."

I totally understand this reference! There's hope for me yet!

[cardinalcollector]

Originally Posted by Ease

I think the threads are very worthwhile to read. Really shows who among us have negative/positive outlooks. Shows a lot about folks' personalities. Lay off of Adrian, he's having fun and learning. I'm sure many of us have gone on buying binges before, especially early on when the fever is at its highest. He will either burn out or become a valued member of the collecting community, let him find his way.
Just my 2 cents.

Well said Eric, +1

This guy doesn't fit the "norm" on Net 54, so some members try to make him "conform"

You don't have enough knowledge
You don't know how to spend your money
Don't buy anything for a month
Find an expert
Slow down
We want scans!
Chill out
You post too much
Show your tax return
Be more subtle
You start too many threads
What do you think your reputation is?
Your digging a hole
Come back in a month
Deal with it or don't post
You've ignored our advice
I demand you answer yes or no
Slow down and relax

Its amazing to me the amount of emotion, mostly negative, that fellow "collectors" have spewed at this guy.

Yes he's different. If everything he has said is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve him at this point, then he is an amazing story, and a success story, who has joined "our" hobby. He has the most positive attitude I've seen in a long time.

Is he going real fast? Yes. Go overboard a bit? Yes. So what? The guy is passionate about cards right now and that's a good thing. I don't understand the venom.

Leon, I like this guy and I think you do too. He has agreed to your stipulations with a smile and he's taken all this abuse good naturedly. There is no doubt he is high maintenance, but I'll take an Adrian thread over a PSA sucks thread any day. Randy Trierweiler

[Leon]

Originally Posted by cardinalcollector

Well said Eric, +1

This guy doesn't fit the "norm" on Net 54, so some members try to make him "conform"

You don't have enough knowledge
You don't know how to spend your money
Don't buy anything for a month
Find an expert
Slow down
We want scans!
Chill out
You post too much
Show your tax return
Be more subtle
You start too many threads
What do you think your reputation is?
Your digging a hole
Come back in a month
Deal with it or don't post
You've ignored our advice
I demand you answer yes or no
Slow down and relax

Its amazing to me the amount of emotion, mostly negative, that fellow "collectors" have spewed at this guy.

Yes he's different. If everything he has said is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve him at this point, then he is an amazing story, and a success story, who has joined "our" hobby. He has the most positive attitude I've seen in a long time.

Is he going real fast? Yes. Go overboard a bit? Yes. So what? The guy is passionate about cards right now and that's a good thing. I don't understand the venom.

Leon, I like this guy and I think you do too. He has agreed to your stipulations with a smile and he's taken all this abuse good naturedly. There is no doubt he is high maintenance, but I'll take an Adrian thread over a PSA sucks thread any day. Randy Trierweiler

Randy, we think very much alike. I like Adrian (hi Adrian) and still do, a lot. I wish I had his amount of enthusiasm (and I have quite a bit). That being said, when part of a community sometimes we have to lose a few of our rights in order for the community to flourish. Setting Adrians limits will help everyone AND even with the 15 posts-limit per day, it's still more than 2x more than I post (which is a lot). All I am doing, in asking him to limit his threads and posts, is trying to help the collective board. Trust me, had I not been bombarded with emails and PMs, over the last several days, I would have not said anything (yet). It hasn't bothered me but has bothered enough members that I had to say something, even if I really didn't want to. It's a very tough position and one with no perfect answer. I absolutely love the enthusiasm and truly hopes Adrian continues to be a valuable and energetic board member.

[ullmandds]

I was totally being sarcastic about showing us his/his rich friends tax returns.

I just thought it was/is kinda over the top how much info Adrian chooses to share?!

[cardinalcollector]

Originally Posted by Leon

Randy, we think very much alike. I like Adrian (hi Adrian) and still do, a lot. I wish I had his amount of enthusiasm (and I have quite a bit). That being said, when part of a community sometimes we have to lose a few of our rights in order for the community to flourish. Setting Adrians limits will help everyone AND even with the 15 posts-limit per day, it's still more than 2x more than I post (which is a lot). All I am doing, in asking him to limit his threads and posts, is trying to help the collective board. Trust me, had I not been bombarded with emails and PMs, over the last several days, I would have not said anything (yet). It hasn't bothered me but has bothered enough members that I had to say something, even if I really didn't want to. It's a very tough position and one with no perfect answer. I absolutely love the enthusiasm and truly hopes Adrian continues to be a valuable and energetic board member.

Leon, I totally understand your position and wasn't questioning your decision at all. You handle these "no-win" situations well. Most moderators don't. You know I am not the most verbal poster here, but I just felt what I said, needed to be said.Take care.

[scooter729]

Originally Posted by MVSNYC

John...beer you ask?

"I'll tell ya where we'll go. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talkin' bout a little place called... (silently) As-pen."

"No thanks - the French are a**holes!"

[Paul S]

No poll or organized general consensus, but I say ‘Stays’. The toughest part will be if he can keep to an adjustment of threads, posts, et al. And I do not know if he can, and I am relieved I will not have to make that decision. Still, he is what he is, so am I, and so is everybody. I’ve changed from my original stance. If this is the worst thing I will ever have to put up with in my own life, I am blessed. Annoying? Yes. Frantic? Yes. A collector, regardless of how manic? Yes. Starts threads that allow me to upload and discuss my post war vintage in pre war? Yes, Yes, Yes.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by cardinalcollector

Well said Eric, +1

This guy doesn't fit the "norm" on Net 54, so some members try to make him "conform"

You don't have enough knowledge
You don't know how to spend your money
Don't buy anything for a month
Find an expert
Slow down
We want scans!
Chill out
You post too much
Show your tax return
Be more subtle
You start too many threads
What do you think your reputation is?
Your digging a hole
Come back in a month
Deal with it or don't post
You've ignored our advice
I demand you answer yes or no
Slow down and relax

Its amazing to me the amount of emotion, mostly negative, that fellow "collectors" have spewed at this guy.

Yes he's different. If everything he has said is true, and I have no reason to disbelieve him at this point, then he is an amazing story, and a success story, who has joined "our" hobby. He has the most positive attitude I've seen in a long time.

Is he going real fast? Yes. Go overboard a bit? Yes. So what? The guy is passionate about cards right now and that's a good thing. I don't understand the venom.

Leon, I like this guy and I think you do too. He has agreed to your stipulations with a smile and he's taken all this abuse good naturedly. There is no doubt he is high maintenance, but I'll take an Adrian thread over a PSA sucks thread any day. Randy Trierweiler

You really should get off of that pedestal. And if you are going to quote people, then quote them accurately. I would rather read nothing but Adrian, as opposed to someone preaching and slapping wrists like you just did.

[nolemmings]

You really should get off of that pedestal.

+1

[cardinalcollector]

Originally Posted by Runscott

You really should get off of that pedestal. And if you are going to quote people, then quote them accurately. I would rather read nothing but Adrian, as opposed to someone preaching and slapping wrists like you just did.

No pedestal here Scott, and no need to feel like you got reprimanded.

You have your opinion, I have mine, and they are different.

[Theo_450]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

And im sure your rich friend is happy youre publicizing this?! How about showing us yours...and his tax returns?!

Does Canada have a capital gains tax? Oops.

[terjung]

Dumb & Dumber, fwiw

Originally Posted by DaveW

I'm sure that's a movie quote that I don't know, but salmon don't really flock. It's the swallows that return to Capistrano each year. But I am interested in knowing where the quote is from ....

[bbcard1]

You know, I've been thinking of buying a pedestal to get on. Do any of you guys have any suggestion? I sort of like the granite models, they're classy but they are kind of heavy and difficult to move around...some of the wood models are nice, especially with a lacquered finish...are those slick?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Sean

Adrian, I got this one in 2005. It's an Old Mill back, and graded PSA 5.

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Attachment 96941

Wow!! Sweet card Sean!!

You have some excellent cards.

Sincerely, Clayton