1911 sweet caporal t206 red murray portrait, "murr'y" variation! Extremely rare!

[egbeachley]

You do realize that this is not a variation, correct? It's just a defect that caused part of the "A" to not fully print. It was not a deliberate change by the manufacturer or printer and many feel that there should be no price premium attached (except that even those who think that would pick one up to sell to those who do).

[Zone91]

So a bad purchase you guys are saying? If you search the net the few that sold....sold for big money....way more than I paid for mine.

Link to auction:

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...est-Graded-Cop

[jcmtiger]

As I posted in another zone91 thread, I think we will be seeing all these cards up for sale in the near future.

Joe

[Zone91]

T206 Museum.com description:

http://www.t206museum.com/page/ga_murray.html

[Zone91]

Prices realized for this card:

http://www.t206museum.com/page/ne_auct.html

Just search for his name I believe there are 3 sales all high prices.

[Zone91]

Are you guys saying every sale for high prices for this card was a error on the part of each buyer?

[margoaepi]

Sort of sad how you drop big money on cards that you know very little about, other than that someone thinks they are rare. You haven't the slightest hint about the players you are buying, and then you come on here to try to justify your expense. Do yourself a favor, take a month off, don't buy any cards, and maybe try watching some baseball. See if you even enjoy the game.

And for what it's worth, there is no need to respond to this post.

[Zone91]

I did my research see above posts I was brought to believe this card is very rare and based on previous sales the prices are very high on them. I am buying some T206 varieties for my set and figured this to be a good one.

Putting my whole love of the game into question over a bad card purchase is kind of crazy...and that is coming from another semi crazy person....myself. I forgot all the true baseball fans make no errors!!!

[Bridwell]

Congrats on buying a rare card. Whenever you invest in a card that has less than 10 examples known, you have the potential to make money on it someday. Minor printing errors on T206's are quite common, as there are at least 30-40 different printing mistakes known. These includes misprints on lettering, or missing one color of ink. However, some of these have less than 10 examples of that particular player with that particular printing error. Many of the collectors here feel that these types of minor printing errors are not worth thousands of dollars, but that's just their opinion. A card is worth what somebody will pay for it.

I find it odd that the net54 collectors seem to love badly miscut cards, off-register colors, and missing colors. I avoided these like rotton apples when I put together my collection. However, I'm sure they would find some of my collection a bit odd from their point of view.

[Jlighter]

You are putting down a ton of money on cards you have very little knowledge of.

I would recommend finding an expert in rare cards and having them help you build your collection. You are very mercurial in your choices, I could probably put up 10 cards here that you would want to buy, doesn't mean you should.

SLOW DOWN!!!!!!

[Zone91]

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[Jantz]

Congrats on the pick-up!

Keep in mind that at the time Goodwin auctioned that Murr'y example there were only 2 examples known. It was the highest graded.

You mentioned that there are 5 known now. To the best of my knowledge there are only 4. Has another one been found with a Sweet Caporal back?


Jantz

[Zone91]

Jantz

Not that I know of....so you do recognize this card as been rare and valuable?

I think I should have paid around 2250$ for it do.

[Jantz]

Adri@n

Only four examples known, so I would put that in the rare column. Of course, that is my opinion.

As far as value, I can't really comment on that. It all comes down to what a buyer is willing to spend.

If you are happy with adding the card to your set or collection, what does it matter what you paid for it?

Look at it this way, you have a card that only 2 other collectors have in their set.


Jantz

[Zone91]

Jantz

Thanks!!! You mean 3 other (mine and the other 3 known examples) collectors have in their set unless you meant you have one in yours?

[teetwoohsix]

Originally Posted by Jantz

Adri@n

Only four examples known, so I would put that in the rare column. Of course, that is my opinion.

As far as value, I can't really comment on that. It all comes down to what a buyer is willing to spend.

If you are happy with adding the card to your set or collection, what does it matter what you paid for it?

Look at it this way, you have a card that only 2 other collectors have in their set.


Jantz

+1 with what Jantz said here.

When it comes to T206's, I'd say due to the very small # of known examples, I'd (myself) consider this a rare card. Not a variation, more of an error.

And as is every card, what it's worth is what someone is willing to pay.

Nice pick up-

Sincerely, Clayton

[thehoodedcoder]

Originally Posted by Zone91

So a bad purchase you guys are saying? If you search the net the few that sold....sold for big money....way more than I paid for mine.

Link to auction:

http://www.goodwinandco.com/LotDetai...est-Graded-Cop

I assume yours is the one on ebay, that sold at bagger recently.

No. I saw the auction where you bought the card....I think you paid fair market for it based on other sales history. You additionally need to take into account grade of the card. You link to a 2/10 and yours is a 1/10.

I offered you what you paid, to let you out of the card if you want out, but it sounds like you collect these variations.

Let me know.

Kevin

[gnaz01]

Adrian,

Chill out and learn from some folks on here. You stated you only wanted some of the rare T206's, yet you list the Christy Mathewson dark cap and WaJo hands at chest (great cards but nothing rare about either one).

[barrysloate]

Adrian- not all collectors respect cards such as the Murr'y because it is not a variation. It was likely caused by a pinpoint of grease or dirt getting on the printing plate and blocking a tiny bit of ink from adhering to the card. That's all it is. Some collectors will pay a lot for it anyway, others disregard it.

It's okay if you choose to purchase it, but it helps to know a little bit about it.

[Zone91]

I am going to keep the card I find it to be interesting and based on it's rarity and previous sales I paid the right price for it.

[thehoodedcoder]

are you the guy selling the card on ebay?

kevin