Signed T206 Warning - Big Jeff Pfeffer

[ATP]

Great post Paul and research on this one.
Best,
Jeff

[T206Collector]

Thanks Jeff.

"What do you think of the Goudey 4in1 in Heritage?"

I think that card is pretty cool, but many many Goudey players lived well into the autographed card world and so it may not be as tough as one thinks. Each of these players lived until 77 (Hildebrand), 79 (Trosky), Averill (83) and Kamm (88). All four were Indians players. Perhaps one or more returned to Cleveland for a variety of old-timer/alumni functions. Hildebrand and Trosky look like they were signed with the same pen and may have been gotten together in the 1960s or 1970s. Kamm and Averill were probably picked up after those guys signed. But I'm just spit balling here...

Still, not easy to find four players on a card -- even if they were all 26 years old and the card was made in 2013!

[Matt]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Thanks Jeff.

"What do you think of the Goudey 4in1 in Heritage?"

I think that card is pretty cool, but many many Goudey players lived well into the autographed card world and so it may not be as tough as one thinks. Each of these players lived until 77 (Hildebrand), 79 (Trosky), Averill (83) and Kamm (88). All four were Indians players. Perhaps one or more returned to Cleveland for a variety of old-timer/alumni functions. Hildebrand and Trosky look like they were signed with the same pen and may have been gotten together in the 1960s or 1970s. Kamm and Averill were probably picked up after those guys signed. But I'm just spit balling here...

Still, not easy to find four players on a card -- even if they were all 26 years old and the card was made in 2013!

https://premierauctionsonline.com/Lo...px?lotid=41519

[T206Collector]

Obviously not the same one, and thus, not quite as cool because obviously more than one collector had this idea....

[milkit1]

If I had the idea in 1988 I'm sure at least a couple peolle had the idea in 1978

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Obviously not the same one, and thus, not quite as cool because obviously more than one collector had this idea....

Notice how the Hildebrand signatures look different in these two examples. The one on the left in the slab looks more consistent with the examples found on Goudey Wide Pens , National Chicle cards etc. I'm not saying either is authentic or not. Autographs can be a very difficult thing to authenticate. Maybe Hildebrand was elderly or tired when he signed the card on the right.

To the card in question from the OP. It is always good to get the right name of the player on the card. Maybe the tpg is saying the signature is good and the card is real and didn't have enough space on the flip to explain the situation.

[HRBAKER]

"Willie/Oral/Earl and Hal," doesn't quite have the same ring as John, Paul, George and Ringo does it?

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by RCMcKenzie

Maybe the tpg is saying the signature is good and the card is real and didn't have enough space on the flip to explain the situation.

Nope--they said Francis Pfeffer authentic auto. It isn't.

[RCMcKenzie]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

Nope--they said Francis Pfeffer authentic auto. It isn't.

I was trying to be somewhat ironic/humorous. How do we/they even know that EJ Pfeffer signed it. Why would he sign it? I don't wish to argue the merits or demerits of tpg's, especially auto tpg's. I still think both the 4in1's are cool, especially for under $250.