This is what happens when EMR team reports get ignored

David Atkatz · #1 04-20-2013, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

You give the impression that I knew for months or years that your "1927 Yankees" ball were all forgeries and that I held that information from you. That's a 100% lie.

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Originally Posted by thetruthisoutthere

As a matter of fact, at the time David and I were still cordial towards each other, I sent him a message that read "nice ball." I didn't have the heart to tell him it was not authentic

You can't even keep your story straight from one post to the next within the same thread!

"Oh what tangled webs we weave... "

Big Dave · #2 04-20-2013, 07:27 PM

Seriously kids.....who gives a sh**?

GrayGhost · #3 04-20-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Dave

Seriously kids.....who gives a sh**?

Agreed. Guys who have so much to give to help with the fight against forgeries, and they engage in this needless crap. sad.

shelly · #4 04-20-2013, 07:59 PM

I guess they do.

shelly · #5 04-20-2013, 08:16 PM

Chriis, when you told what you thought. Did he think you where correct?

thetruthisoutthere · #6 04-20-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

Chriis, when you told what you thought. Did he think you where correct?

No he didn't, Shelly. He went to his friend Jodi, who confirmed that his "1927 Yankees" autographs were not authentic.

Why would David believe me? I'm just a lowly Tom Tresh collector who hasn't (according to David) spent more than a ten-spot on memorabilia.

After all, Shelly, David is the self-proclaimed vintage Yankees autograph expert.

Why isn't this self-proclaimed vintage Yankees autograph expert keeping up with the Joneses

Why doesn't this expert know of the various forgers that have been around? Isn't that part of being an expert; keeping up with the Joneses?

Tomorrow is a new day.

shelly · #7 04-20-2013, 09:05 PM

If you saw this ball and Richard saw the ball and Jodi was on the net at that time. Why did he not say anything. He was the one that was trusted.

When was the ball purchased and why did he not show it to Jodi in the first place. Why are you being blamed for his mistake. If I am correct without your help he would have never had any idea it was bad no matter what the timeing was.
If you had a really good friend that you thought was an expert on autographs. Why would you not ask him before you bought an item that cost in the high teens. I am now really confused.

David Atkatz · #8 04-20-2013, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

If you saw this ball and Richard saw the ball and Jodi was on the net at that time. Why did he not say anything. He was the one that was trusted.

When was the ball purchased and why did he not show it to Jodi in the first place. Why are you being blamed for his or her mistake. I am now really confused.

You're confused? Why are you getting involved? You clearly have no idea what went on, when the ball was purchased, from whom the ball was purchased, etc. You--as usual--are totally ignorant. Yet you feel you have to comment, 'cause it involves your two buddies.

Jodi was the one that was trusted? You bet. For many, many, reasons.

Not the least of which is that he's not a self-serving blowhard, like your bandmates. (Are you three joined at the hip?)

David Atkatz · #9 04-20-2013, 07:31 PM

Here is the "nice ball" email you refer to Chris:

REDACTED BY LEON

It is dated 22 August 2011.

Richard informed me the ball was fake on 31 October 2011, and you then chimed in.

Two months later.

By your own admission above, when you sent the "nice ball" email, you knew the ball was a forgery. You said nothing until two months later--and then only when Richard publicly referred to "another board member" who agreed with him. You then identified yourself as that member.

Yet you just explicitly stated above that the idea that you withheld that information from me "for months" is a "100% lie."

Check your pants, Chris They're on fire.

thetruthisoutthere · #10 04-20-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Here is the "nice ball" email you refer to Chris:

It is dated 22 August 2011.

Richard informed me the ball was fake on 31 October 2011, and you then chimed in.

Two months later.

By your own admission above, when you sent the "nice ball" email, you knew the ball was a forgery. You said nothing until two months later--and then only when Richard publicly referred to "another board member" who agreed with him. You then identified yourself as that member.

Yet you just explicitly stated above that the idea that you withheld that information from me "for months" is a "100% lie."

Check your pants, Chris They're on fire.

You're right, David. I got my timeframe wrong.

And Richard has already confirmed that I sent him the photos of your "1927 Yankees" ball after my initial suspicions.

And you're point, David?

Are you blaming us because you owned a $10,000 forgery for over a decade?

Or are you using me getting my timeframe wrong as a way to deflect and spin?

Yep, I got the timeframe wrong. And yep, I didn't have the heart to tell you that you owned a set of forgeries.

You got me, David.

Sorry to disappoint you, David. I guess I'm not as perfect as you thought I was. My apologies for breaking your heart.

David Atkatz · #11 04-20-2013, 08:24 PM

I appreciate your admitting your mistake, Chris.

And, as I have said before, while I was initially heartbroken, the end result was the removal of a serious forgery from my collection. For that I'm grateful--grateful that I pissed Richard off.

thetruthisoutthere · #12 04-21-2013, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Here is the "nice ball" email you refer to Chris:

It is dated 22 August 2011.

Richard informed me the ball was fake on 31 October 2011, and you then chimed in.

Two months later.

By your own admission above, when you sent the "nice ball" email, you knew the ball was a forgery. You said nothing until two months later--and then only when Richard publicly referred to "another board member" who agreed with him. You then identified yourself as that member.

Yet you just explicitly stated above that the idea that you withheld that information from me "for months" is a "100% lie."

Check your pants, Chris They're on fire.

Here's a good example of the double standard around here.

I've waited 24 hours for a so-called moderator on this site for citing Atkatz for posting a personal email in public on this forum.

Not one of you so-called mods cited the above infraction.

Atkatz calling me an a...hole is allowed and now this.

David Atkatz · #13 04-21-2013, 05:31 PM

Don't get so bent out of shape, Chris.

Leon's already stated that he's in your corner. (He's certainly not in mine.)

thetruthisoutthere · #14 04-21-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Don't get so bent out of shape, Chris.

Leon's already stated that he's in your corner. (He's certainly not in mine.)

I'm not bent out of shape, David.

Just curious about the double-standard by the mod stationed here.

David Atkatz · #15 04-21-2013, 06:07 PM

Thanks so much, Leon. That email happened to catch Chris in a bold-faced lie. But I guess that's not so important.

Leon · #16 04-21-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Don't get so bent out of shape, Chris.

Leon's already stated that he's in your corner. (He's certainly not in mine.)

I don't follow every thread all of the time or catch every board infraction. Personal emails are not allowed to be posted. They have been edited out. Please don't post emails again, per the rules.

As for being in Chris's corner, I am in. I am for anyone that will help get rid of fraud in the hobby. I do think more transparency is almost always good...and understand fully about not revealing some minute details.

RichardSimon · #17 04-21-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

I don't follow every thread all of the time or catch every board infraction. Personal emails are not allowed to be posted. They have been edited out. Please don't post emails again, per the rules.

As for being in Chris's corner, I am in. I am for anyone that will help get rid of fraud in the hobby. I do think more transparency is almost always good...and understand fully about not revealing some minute details.

Kudos to you Leon for this post.

David Atkatz · #18 04-21-2013, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Kudos to you Leon for this post.

Don't you ever get tired of making a show of kissing Leon's ass?

thetruthisoutthere · #19 04-20-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by David Atkatz

You can't even keep your story straight from one post to the next within the same thread!

"Oh what tangled webs we weave... "

Those statements are accurate.

What's the tangled web?

You know as well as I do, that after I got your full images of the ball, and I found my suspicions to be correct, I didn't have the heart to tell you they were bad. And I emailed you "Nice ball."

That is absolutely correct. At the time I didn't want to break your heart about the ball. It was two weeks after that I sent you a Net54 email that read "Do you know who Johnny Fang is?"

You have Dan and everyone else here thinking that I was holding back that information for years.

Tell me, David, how does a Tom Tresh collector know that your ball was bad, but a self-proclaimed vintage Yankees autograph expert not know?

David, write what you want and believe what you want.

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