Robert Edward Auctins just signed up to be able to bid!!

[Zone91]

bn2cardz

I will buy the 51 Bowman for sure one day probably in PSA 7. But tome some this is his Topps Rookie card since Topps started in 52. That is why I say rookie card.

[Zone91]

Eric72

What card are you referring to with the water mark? I have the Mantle in my hand and all looks good there is a mark on the Mike Mitchell error card from the E90-1 Caramel set.

[deadballera]

my xmas wish list is here !

[Bestdj777]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Eric72

What card are you referring to with the water mark? I have the Mantle in my hand and all looks good there is a mark on the Mike Mitchell error card from the E90-1 Caramel set.

He meant that he auction picture had a watermark (A mark to prevent people from stealing the picture), not te card itself.

I would love to see your collection. Do you have a camera phone by chance?

[Zone91]

Bestdj777

Ah OK was wondering.

No sorry no camera I will have to borrow one from my brother I was never the camera type of guy.

[Zone91]

deadballera

Lollllll!!!

[cyseymour]

Adrian, I gotta say congrats, man. Boy, you are aggressive! I haven't seen anything like it. But you bought popular cards that will probably increase in value. Personally, I can't say about the prices, I honestly don't know much about Mantle prices or anything outside of the 19th Century stuff. But you've got to be happy with cards. The Harry Wright, yes it is faded, but it is still Harry Wright, and a PSA 5. Can't be too bad. So I send you congratulations, and as long as you're enjoying yourself and the hobby, then rave on!!!

[Zone91]

cyseymour

Thanks sir means a lot!!! Yes I am having a lot of fun I quite collecting coins (To many bad people and to many other bad things in that hobby) and now only focusing of rarer cards....sold off my last coin the other day and that allowed me to pick up all these cards and a few others in the future.

Yes the Old Judge card I am very happy to own he was a pioneer of baseball (Uniforms and Stats).

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Eric72

What card are you referring to with the water mark? I have the Mantle in my hand and all looks good there is a mark on the Mike Mitchell error card from the E90-1 Caramel set.

Why are you saying you have the Mantle in hand when you haven't paid for it yet? Is it a different card than the PSA 4, 1952 in the link?

Did I miss something?

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Eric72

What card are you referring to with the water mark? I have the Mantle in my hand and all looks good there is a mark on the Mike Mitchell error card from the E90-1 Caramel set.

As Bestdj777 indicated, the (artifical) watermark is on the image only, and not on the card itself.



Edited to add: Should go without saying; however, not my card.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Eric72

What card are you referring to with the water mark? I have the Mantle in my hand and all looks good there is a mark on the Mike Mitchell error card from the E90-1 Caramel set.

Might just be me, but I think Eric and some others have doubts on whether you really won these cards, which is why they want to see pictures.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by glchen

Might just be me, but I think Eric and some others have doubts on whether you really won these cards, which is why they want to see pictures.

Oh, he won at least 2 of them. I can assure you of that.

[Zone91]

Guys I did win all 4 Leon or someone can contact Tonyetrade and ask and you will be told I did purchase the Mantle and the PSA 5 Old Judge card if the seller is allowed to say that or not I do not know the privacy laws.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Guys I did win all 4 Leon or someone can contact Tonyetrade and ask and you will be told I did purchase the Mantle and the PSA 5 Old Judge card.

Already did.

[HRBAKER]

You can't find entertainment like this just anywhere!

[Zone91]

Leon

Then you now know I was indeed the wining bidder on the 1887 Old Judge and 52 Topps Mantle.

[bender07]

Man I wish I had something Adrian was looking for! Price doesn't seem to be much of a factor.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Leon

Then you now know I was indeed the wining bidder on the 1887 Old Judge and 52 Topps Mantle.

Yeap and got an invitation to come stay with him for a few days for a vacation too. It's a small hobby,. Gotta run to chat with folks much less fortunate than most of us. Back later......

[Zone91]

Leon

Thanks for confirming that I do indeed own these 4 cards appreciate it.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Leon

Then you now know I was indeed the wining bidder on the 1887 Old Judge and 52 Topps Mantle.

Originally Posted by Leon

Why are you saying you have the Mantle in hand when you haven't paid for it yet? Is it a different card than the PSA 4, 1952 in the link?

Did I miss something?

I think that is why Leon knows it wasn't paid for yet and knows that you can't have the card yet as you claimed. (Purely speculation by the posts)

[Zone91]

bender07

I only pay what I think is right for a card based on the look of the card no the holder...I wiser than that learned from been a sucker in the card trade before cards where graded by companies.

[Zone91]

bn2cardz

Speak to Leon in private he will explain the whole picture of my tactics to you.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Guys I did win all 4

Well, I will certainly admit that I was mistaken. And I do apologize.

Congratulations on your excellent acquisitions.

Sincerely,

Eric

[Zone91]

Eric72

Thanks!!!

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Zone91

...there is a mark on the Mike Mitchell error card from the E90-1 Caramel set.

What is the error on the Mike Mitchell card?

[Zone91]

Is it not a team variation error card that is what I believed? I purchased the card because I knew it was rare and I collect rarer cards I supposed it was a card like the T206 Ray Demmitt and Bill O'Hara I must be wrong.
To be honest I never even heard of this card before a few weeks ago.

[Baseball Rarities]

Originally Posted by Zone91

It is a variation card like the T206 Demmitt card and the Bill O'Hara card....the card has a stain on the top right corner on the front of the card.

What is the variation? Can you post a link or a picture of the other variation?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by Bestdj777

Isn't this the same Mantle you posted a link to on the prewar side? I could swear you stated on that thread that you did not end up purchasing the card...

Originally Posted by Zone91

Bestdj777

Did not want people to know until I had received it threw the mail. To prevent others from trying to get the card outside of Ebay threw the seller...this has happened in the past to me a few times....I know how to protect myself from this now.

Originally Posted by Zone91

Bestdj777

Was keeping it on the down low as they say!!!

Originally Posted by Zone91

bn2cardz

Speak to Leon in private he will explain the whole picture of my tactics to you.

I assume it is the same picture painted above. You lie because you are paranoid of people wanting to swoop in on your purchases.

[Zone91]

bn2cardz

Pretty much had a few bad experiences with coin dealers in the past. And that really sucked BIG time!!! Trying to stay away and prevent it from happening again. I do not know much about the dealers I purchased from so I decided to protect myself. I personally think that is understandable....and then again maybe you do not....but I do!!!

[bender07]

Originally Posted by Zone91

Is it not a team variation error card that is what I believed? I purchased the card because I knew it was rare and I collect rarer cards I supposed it was a card like the T206 Ray Demmitt and Bill O'Hara I must be wrong.
To be honest I never even heard of this card before a few weeks ago.

Is there a race I'm not aware of? You're ripping through cash!

[frankbmd]

I know where you can get a camera for less than $10K, but I can get you an even better deal on a scanner. Just PM me.

[Zone91]

bender07

2500$ was a bad buy in your opinion? No no race just a few rarer cards I wanted to add to my set. I know it is considered the Honus Wagner of Caramel cards but do not know why?? Can you explain? I figured they must not come up for sale often so why not buy it.

[Zone91]

frankbmd

Not that I can't afford one just never was one to take pictures I have like 5 pictures of myself in the last 10 years and 2 where for passports once every time they expired. I have no kids or wife so a camera was not in my things to buy.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Zone91

bender07

2500$ was a bad buy in your opinion? No no race just a few rarer cards I wanted to add to my set. I know it is considered the Honus Wagner of Caramel cards but do not know why?? Can you explain? I figured they must not come up for sale often so why not buy it.

I think Mark and others (including myself) are somewhat concerned about the prices that you are paying. Some of the sellers you are buying from including bmw have some of the most overpriced BINs on ebay. There are many collectors in the hobby who enthusiastically purchase cards at high prices when they first enter the hobby, but later become discouraged and unhappy when they are later unable to re-sell the cards for their purchase price when they need to unload them. The fear is that you are walking down the same path, which we hope doesn't happen.

[Zone91]

glchen

Please tell what cards I overpaid for (My guess is all of them)...cards are selling for a lot more than say a few years ago especially the old stuff in nice condition. I could have found a Mantle say for 10k and not 13k but the centering would have sucked or some stain would have bothered me I wanted my Mantle centered and with ZERO stains or marks of ANY kind.

Please point me in the direction of where I can find these rarer cards (That are problem free for the most part) for so much less elsewhere and I will GLADLY go in that direction in the future. Where can I find a 1887 Old Judge Harry Wright graded PSA 5 elsewhere...there are simply none available (to rare to wait 5 years to locate another one...I am a collector and hence collect I can't stand waiting 5 years for a golden deal...that would never amount to much if I waited 5 years per card I add to my collection...in the end I would have like 6-8 cards then time for me to leave Earth)?

I understand what you guys are saying be patient but some of these cards only come up every other year that is to long in my opinion to not be collecting....just to save say a 100$ on a card.

Almost NO hobby is rewarding financially NONE!!!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Just as every generation throws a hero up the pop charts, every generation has a collector who rushes in gobbling up cards without regard to price. Anyone remember Charles Nisenbau? Rocketslover? etc. etc. If you're that well off that a few thousand here a few thousand there is immaterial, then go for it and enjoy, but if you are concerned about making wise expenditures, slow down, take a deep breath, do some research, and learn to negotiate. Good luck.

[MattyC]

For what it's worth, I've dealt with tonyetrade before and did not find him to be overpriced.

It is true that collectors will often happily pay a premium for the specific example that appeals to their eye. Whether one is a stickler for centering, registration, corners, etc., we all know that not all cards with the same label command the same price.

The PSA 4 pictured is a very clean image of Mantle. That said, you can definitely improve on that centering, if centering is your thing. This is only a 3 but the eye appeal is pretty strong...

[Zone91]

Peter_Spaeth

I did negotiate on these cards most of them the dealer dropped a lot from the asking prices. For example the 1887 Old Judge was listed for 5500$ I got it for 4250$ and the Mike Mitchell was at 5000$ I believe and I got it for 2500$...I know the dealers price there stuff way high to make us think we are getting a great deal but at least I got a deal and did not pay full asking prices.

[Zone91]

MattyC

You see that Mantle in a 3 does nothing for me (creased at the bottom...colors not vibrant (+ browning) as they should be on this blue beauty and the centering to me is not appealing)...beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. I would not buy that card but that is me....I am sorry to say so but that is the truth in my situation.

[glchen]

Obviously, these are older listings, but the E90-1 card that you just bought sold for ~1300 in 2009 here: Link. (You may need to register with Heritage auctions to see the price.) A better condition card in SGC3 sold for ~1500 in 2010 here: Link.

The Harry Wright is a great card in PSA5, BUT, Old Judge collectors rarely go by the grade assigned by the third party graders. The reason is for Old Judges image quality is much more important that characteristics such as corner sharpness since Old Judge cards are like photos. Therefore, since the card that you purchased is faded, it may be PSA5 in technical terms, but Old Judge collectors would consider it "overgraded."

Anyway, I don't want to throw water on your purchases especially since you seem like such an enthusiastic new collector. People on the board want to see you happy with your purchases, and you certainly are happy now. We just don't want you to regret it later on, which almost always happens with new collectors. This was the same with me also. When I first re-entered the hobby, I bought a lot of things for prices where now, given what I know, I consider myself an idiot back then.

In pre-war collecting, there are many extremely rare cards. There are many, many cards that are very sought after. That is why there is rarely a deal that needs to be made now. You might miss this awesome Harry Wright card now, but later on, you may find another awesome Old Judge card that is equally rare and sought after. There are so different images and cards in prewar, collectors change focus one after the other because there are too many things to collect. We see pickups that other collectors get, and we start to want to get into that area also. Therefore, there will always be plenty of ways to spend your hard earned money on cards that you will be happy to have in your collection. Happy collecting!

[MattyC]

No worries, all good. Wasn't trying to sell it to ya. Just making a centering comparison, as the 4 seemed pretty OC t/b, and rather its strength seems to me the cleanliness of the image and strong surface. But again it's all in the buyer's eye.

[conor912]

I know that there is an Ignore List for posts, but is there any way to not see entire threads started by a specific user?

[Zone91]

glchen

That makes a LOT of sens I will for sure make a mental note!!!

[Zone91]

conor912

Do you want us to talk about you (do you require a little bit of attention at the moment) if that is the case create a post...and people will participate if they chose to and simply ignore it if they chose not to!!!

[DaveW]

Let's take a look at some of "Adrian's" qualities and see if we can figure out who this really is:
- single, no kids
- likes to impress us with his high end cards and how much money he spends
- never shows scans of his cards (claims to not have a scanner)
- poor use of grammar and spelling but claims to have a high level of education
- seems to enjoy annoying us
- gets belligerent when challenged
- has a brother who also buys high end cards

Hey, are you really just one of the Bruces?

[CharleyBrown]

I think Adrian has to be the most enthusiastic collector I've ever across.

Anyhow - kudos to you on your purchases.

I've dealt with tonyEtrade before, and found him to be more than reasonable on his pricing.

[Zone91]

DaveW

To be honest that is pathetic on your part I am never one to show off I simply buy rarer more expensive cards hence I show those cards off and for having bad grammar my 1st language is French NOT English. Try speaking French here so we can laugh at you for not been a French person...NOW that would make a whole lot of sens and would make us French people feel so much better about our selves. What are you a perfect judge are you a lawyer with 10 years of experience to judge someone in 5 minutes.

[Zone91]

CharleyBrown

Thanks at least you see it for what it truly is!!!

[conor912]

Originally Posted by Zone91

conor912

Do you want us to talk about you (do you require a little bit of attention at the moment) if that is the case create a post...and people will participate if they chose to and simply ignore it if they chose not to!!!

So you start threads just so people will talk about you? Dave, you can add "low self esteem" to your list.

[Zone91]

conor912

You be a shit disturber (even worse you can't even start your own topic)...us real collectors hate those types. You can add that to YOUR list!!!