Blatantly Hacked and Kudos to Rob Lifson PSA should be ashamed!

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by Leon

From the responses given, no they don't.

So no one has a problem with these cards entering the market as is? Wow.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

I'm glad the issues are stated, but the fact that he is allowing these into enter the marketplace is kind of astonishing.

"He" didn't allow anything to enter the marketplace. PSA did that when they graded them.

Jason, what we have here is differences of opinion between PSA and REA/consignor (whom I tend to agree with). What do you expect to happen here? Do you believe the consignor should send them back to PSA for re-evaluation? Ok, but what if PSA sticks by their opinion? What if they say the cards are fine? Then what is the consignor supposed to do? And who's to say that wasn't already done?

[markf31]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Ok, but what if PSA sticks by their opinion? What if they say the cards are fine? Then what is the consignor supposed to do? And who's to say that wasn't already done?

While I agree with the majority opinion here, I would also hope that if this was done, if the consignor and/or REA resubmitted the card to PSA for a second look and clarification, that these facts would also have been disclosed and stated as such in the auction listing. The fact they are not leads me to believe these steps were not taken by either the consignor or REA in order to put REA's concerns to rest.

I'm sure some discussion between the consignor and REA did take place though.

[markf31]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

So no one has a problem with these cards entering the market as is? Wow.

Originally Posted by jhs5120

So honestly, no one here has a problem with 14 trimmed cards in PSA 8 holders entering the market?

Maybe if you ask a third time you'll get the answer you're looking for?

[autograf]

@ Scott F who asked the question, "Is it reasonable to assume that the consignor and REA discussed this before the item was added to the catalog with its description as "possibly trimmed?"

I sold my T206 near set with Rob about 4-5 years ago. It was 475 or so cards to the set. He noted to me after looking at the set that he felt there were a few cards (I think 8-10 or so) that he felt were trimmed. It was 99% ungraded. He graded maybe 15-20 cards in the process. In his auction description, he noted the cards he felt were trimmed. So, the current disclosure of trimmed cards is not a new development for REA.

And I think Rob and his folks are doing all the right things with these cards. There is, however, NO GUARANTEE that the next person that sells them will do the same thing. The buyers could turn around and sell them on ebay the next day without that disclosure. I'd say the PSA8 T206 set collectors out there could probably be counted on a couple hands, so they are probably pretty good at keeping up with cards/certs/etc but someone could miss it. Who knows.

Regardless, PSA should make good on the deal and note them as 'A' and re-enter them into circulation. Some of the group are way worse than the others too.........

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by jhs5120

So no one has a problem with these cards entering the market as is? Wow.

Expecting him or anyone else to be the gatekeeper of the market, especially when he has made full disclosure, is beyond absurd. If you are so concerned, I suggest that you buy it yourself and destroy it.

[tschock]

Originally Posted by kcohen

Expecting him or anyone else to be the gatekeeper of the market, especially when he has made full disclosure, is beyond absurd. If you are so concerned, I suggest that you buy it yourself and destroy it.

I have a better proposal. Please send me all your cards directly to me so I can re-evaluate them. I will review them and return the ones that I don't believe to be trimmed. On the ones I believe to be trimmed, I will stamp "TRIMMED" on the back of the cards and keep them so that they can never deceive anyone again. I promise to send the non-trimmed ones back. Remember, your mileage may vary.

[CMIZ5290]

First of all, I acknowledge REA for disclosure on cards they had concerns with. Would most auction houses do that? I sincerely doubt it. Secondly, if you have concerns with the card, simply don't bid, period. There are a couple of cards that I had a concern with, but they are not any of the 14 disclosed. REA vs. PSA? It's your opinion, but nobody has a gun to their heads...