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[shelly]

Jim, love the story. Whats you opinion?

[JimStinson]

Shelly....my opinion is always the same, Trust but Verify

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Actually autograph authentication is pretty easy ....No magic wand, and simple formula is when in doupt... BOW OUT ! That includes 1% of doubt
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[chaddurbin]

the ante keeps upping. used to be 1 tpa was enough, nowadays items with psa/dna AND jsa are still questioned...so what good are they? do you need a summit meeting amongst all the dealers & authenticators now just to sell a piece?

when i'm ready to buy a ruth, by the time i get through all the tpas and opinions i need to feel comfortable that cost will be greater than the ruth itself.

[Big Dave]

If anyone wants to buy something...get it authenticated here.....seems to be the best place of all.

[shelly]

Thanks Jim.

[David Atkatz]

An undeniably genuine Ruth, written on a straight line.

[David Atkatz]

And another.

[travrosty]

let's see what psa says about a ruth autograph

http://www.psacard.com/Articles/Arti...ous-autographs

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/12/prweb10276372.htm

don't these two look the same to you? they do to me. so psa says one thing, jsa another, who can you trust, can someone be the tiebreaker? are these two photos by the same man, ruth or otherwise? again, i am a boxing guy, so please enlighten me.

Babe Ruth signatures were among the most commonly forged sports autographs in 2012, according to PSA/DNA Authentication Services. This is an example of a fake Ruth signature in the opinion of PSA/DNA. (Photo credit: PSA/DNA Authentication Services.)

[shelly]

Travis did not read the whole thread. Spence is the only authenticator of this piece. He did it for Psa and then Jsa. There are two opinions one from Spence and one from Ron. I know your thoughts on the tpa's.What is your opinion on Ron?

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by shelly

Travis did not read the whole thread. Spence is the only authenticator of this piece. He did it for Psa and then Jsa. There are two opinions one from Spence and one from Ron. I know your thoughts on the tpa's.What is your opinion on Ron?

well, wait a minute, here is grad signing off on the same type of piece, so we have three opinions, add grad to the group who thinks its good.

then add psa to the group that thinks it bad according to their recent 10 most dangerous autographs.

A new era begins is right! babe really liked that exact slant on his autograph didnt he?

I am glad people value my opinion, but i do boxing, but i point out the different photos and authentications. i am waiting for mr. babe ruth expert to come back.

for the record, i like ron and believe he is a better judge of vintage baseball autographs than mr west coast and mr east coast.

[mr2686]

Well, if Ron Keurajian thinks it's a fake, who am I to argue. The two things that struck me was the straight line the autograph was signed on and of course the fact that a photo to Gary Cooper would have made some kind of news if the family had put it up for sale.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mr2686

Well, if Ron Keurajian thinks it's a fake, who am I to argue. The two things that struck me was the straight line the autograph was signed on and of course the fact that a photo to Gary Cooper would have made some kind of news if the family had put it up for sale.

I guess the perfectly straight lines mean that it's just an extra-special Ruth-signed item. We've had a few Ruth-signed items like that lately - if it looks perfect, even if 'perfect' isn't a signer's m.o., then it's special and therefore worth even more.

[travrosty]

these threads get so convuluted. you need a phd to figure them out. what is your point? either the auto is good or bad, spence screwed up or he didn't. why start a thread and then dont finish it or say anything. same as williams. just start a random thread, ask people their opinions like you dont know, even though you do know , and to what end? gosh, these get old.

[shelly]

This thread was started because of that autograph. Not because of you Travis. You came in and posted I then asked you the same question I did everyone else.