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[shelly]

Just remember. Hamilton defended the Kennedy papers till the day he died.

[mighty bombjack]

There is also a sweet single signed George Wright jubilee presentation ball and a Hank O'Day ball (not single, but pretty nice).

[prewarsports]

FWIW, the O'Day is real. Umpires are a different story, they would sign baseballs as a crew and give them away as presentation pieces or gifts. The Umpires signatures were there to show where the ball came from and not because of the "signatures". What I mean is that a group of Umpires (or a single Umpire) would keep game balls as souvenirs from World Series or Last Outs and write on them or sign them to show where the ball came from, so they are "signed" but mostly for presentation, not for the sake of autographing a baseball for a collector.

Players didn't really "sign" baseballs before about 1920 (or only for presentations), especially old timers without a current connection to the ball they were signing or the team involved.

[David Atkatz]

Oops. Wrong thread.

[GrayGhost]

Can't wait to get my catalog. HOURS of joy and drooling.

Far as the Brouthers, Cockroaches Corner has one this month too. haha.

I would think it would be tough, and I can sure see some skepticism is warranted. Never a dull moment in our great hobby.

[collectbaseball]

That 'Boston sports photographer' find is unbelievable

[David Atkatz]

Take a good look at those Ruth photos. They were all signed in the same ink, with the same pen. I'm reasonably certain they were signed at the same time.
Yet there are considerable differences in the "Ruth"s.

Real autographs are like that.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by shelly

Just remember. Hamilton defended the Kennedy papers till the day he died.

One of the great scams in the autograph business,,, but at least they caught the guy and he served some serious time.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by shelly

Just remember. Hamilton defended the Kennedy papers till the day he died.

Hamilton did not defend the Kennedy papers.
but PSA's john Reznikoff sure did.

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Hamilton did not defend the Kennedy papers.
but PSA's john Reznikoff sure did.

and he still gets to authenticate kennedy signatures.

[RichardSimon]

Hamilton authenticated a few of the JFK papers that were shown to him. I believe it was a small number of them, perhaps 5?

[diamondicons]

Just noticed there is a Brouthers single signed ball in the current Coach's Corner auction...an its certified.
http://www.myccsa.com/lot/244/dan-br...-baseball.aspx
Could probably be used for comparison purposes to determine if the one in REA is real. Mike

[travrosty]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Hamilton authenticated a few of the JFK papers that were shown to him. I believe it was a small number of them, perhaps 5?

the guy selling them and reznikoff would only show a few papers to several different dealers, authenticators and so forth, but wouldn't show the bulk of it to any one person. so these guys would say they liked the handwriting, but if they could have seen it all maybe their tune would have been different.

[shelly]

Richard you are correct. Here is part of a piece written in the paper.

Mr. Reznikoff showed three or four items to Mr. Hamilton, the New York autograph dealer. Mr. Hamilton provided a typewritten letter, dated Sept. 8, 1994, certifying that the documents he saw were genuine.

Mr. Hamilton's widow, Diane, said that she, too, is a handwriting analyst and, after viewing 50 to 60 documents from the collection, she also believes that they are authentic. ''There just isn't any question about it,'' she said. From the New York Times

A long with that, here is part of the court transcript.

[9] EB: So Cusack says he took 6 of the more than 300 documents to a noted document dealer, Charles Hamilton, who declared those 6 documents to be authentic. It was then that Lex Cusack says he decided to sell his collection and he brought it to this man, Thomas Cloud, established dealer of gold, diamonds and documents.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Hamilton authenticated a few of the JFK papers that were shown to him. I believe it was a small number of them, perhaps 5?

Hamilton did not authenticate the Kennedy papers. He knew more about Kennedy's handwriting and signature than anyone else at the time, and, in fact, was the one who discovered that JFK used an autopen--the first instance of that instrument being used--and identified a number of his secretarial signatures as well. He published his findings in his book The Robot That Helped to Make a President, a classic, but alas, long OOP.

[thenavarro]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

Hamilton did not authenticate the Kennedy papers. He knew more about Kennedy's handwriting and signature than anyone else at the time, and, in fact, was the one who discovered that JFK used an autopen--the first instance of that instrument being used--and identified a number of his secretarial signatures as well. He published his findings in his book The Robot That Helped to Make a President, a classic, but alas, long OOP.

David,

Hamilton did authenticate SOME of that cache of papers. He even went so far as to allegedly publish parts of 3 of those documents in the July 1995 re-release of his book you mentioned, The Robot That Helped to Make a President.

Mike

[David Atkatz]

I stand corrected, Mike. Thanks.