extra red ink card

Craig M · #1 04-12-2013, 05:19 PM

My bad....somebody was discussing this card during the eBay auction on another site but did not save it.

Do you agree the card is real?

...and has been messed with?

or tell us what you are thinking?

Your graded Delhanty and my left Delahanty have the redness in the face but yet there is no red on the uniform.

BTW, I like your other missining red ink and name errors on your site. Those are sweet!

Craig

thehoodedcoder · #2 04-12-2013, 05:26 PM

the card is definitely real.

im not convinced yet that it has been messed with in its entirity.

there are places where the red ink you are seeing appears to be under the blue ink on the uniform but its hard to tell.... as well as appearing to be the same the other colors on the hand.

the red hat makes it tough to swallow. i don't claim to be an expert and am in fact not but i have looked a cards under a loupe before.

what about the blue ink on the uniform? do you think that is real? why would someone ad blue in to the card in a fashion that it is applied. you would have to get in there with a microscope to do it. the blue ink is clearly a shading/embelishment color on the uniform.

im not on here trying to convince you that its real. that is not the point. i came on to get open minded opinions.

side note the name is not messed with. it is curled up on the edge so you can't see the letters. to your point about the face, no. they don't have red ink. they have flesh color on the face. the face on the red hat card is definitely red ink. same thing with the hand and all of the other places i pointed out.

kevin

EvilKing00 · #3 04-12-2013, 05:47 PM

just a guess here, but a $5.00 black light may solve this, i would think.

Jaybird · #4 04-12-2013, 05:56 PM

The pen strokes in the hat are a dead giveaway. No other solid colors in a T206 have strokes like that. I have a feeling most people are staying away from this thread because it is a fairly obvious manipulation.

thehoodedcoder · #5 04-12-2013, 06:18 PM

i think what you see as pen strokes are actually scratch marks or like tiny slits on the physical surface of the card.

the hat color is actaully pretty consistent in color and the color is a perfect match to the ear color.

not sure where to pick up a small black light yet at but i definitely will be adding that to my collection of tools. gotta do some looking.

kevin

thehoodedcoder · #6 04-12-2013, 06:37 PM

the other thing you can not see at all is that the ultra far right side of the hat actually has some red dots on the edge also. i have been looking at it under a loupe now for an hour and i just saw this. this would not have been done with a stroking motion. they are ultra small. needle point small.

if someone used a felt tip pen...especially a fine felt tip pen, i would expect them to be hitting a lot of places they already colored in and there would be drastic color changes with even more evidence of stroke. due to the fact that they need to make a lot more strokes. i would also expect the color of the red to be a lot darker than it is.

going to try to hit home depot after dinner out.

later,
kevin

steve B · #7 04-12-2013, 10:37 PM

This one's a puzzle. The hat looks wrong, even with scratches. The dark patch looks like it might be damage that got fixed at one time. And the top of the cap is raised a bit from what a normal one would look like.

But the other areas are interesting.
Mine has the same red on the hand, and a quick check of Ebay shows that some others have it too.
The card is in general overinked a bit on all the colors. The black of the eye farthest right shows solidly black, while mine has a defenite dot pattern and structure.
Mine also has the red on the face and ear. I think on most cards it's buried under the black while on this one it's printed a bit high and so it shows. The overinking really makes it stand out.
The red lines on the uniform do appear to be under the blue and black. I really wasn't expecting to see that. It's possible that if the marker was watercolor the ink wouldn't have stuck to the oil based ink.
The blue is overinked, some show that blue others don't. Mine has traces of it in a couple areas, none in others.

There's also one I saw scans of that has some light red in the same general areas of the uniform. It's part of someone's buy it now museum, so it may be there a while.

Better scans would really help, anything 600 or better, I prefer 800. At that level you can almost see the layers of ink as layers.

Steve B

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