Would you be able to detect a trimmed T206 card that was, as trimmed, properly sized?

[steve B]

Most trims are obvious. In fact they feel different, someone who was literally blind could be taught to detect them.

It's possible that a trimming done on a factory type papercutter might have the right sort of edge, and that would be a bit more challenging.

Steve B

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by steve B

Most trims are obvious. In fact they feel different, someone who was literally blind could be taught to detect them.

It's possible that a trimming done on a factory type papercutter might have the right sort of edge, and that would be a bit more challenging.

Steve B

Steve,

Please know that I agree with what you've said here.

As for the, "factory type papercutter," I have an opinion that I would like to share with the group.

For a T206 card, wouldn't the absence of a slightly rounded edge...on one side...the front, if I am not mistaken, be obvious? I have heard (actually, I have, "read" more often than heard) that they were cut in a way that left a telltale sign to look for when discerning whether a particular example had been trimmed.

Again, I am just trying to learn here. I have read a number of great articles on the subject. By far, the one which was most informative was written by someone whose name was credited as being David Cycleback...though I suspect that is a pseudonym...and might just be a fellow Board Member.

As stated, this is a question for the group, at large...and not aimed at you. Please feel free to ignore my post completely.

However, I would like to know everyone's thoughts on this and look forward to your replies.

Best Regards,

Eric

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Eric72

Steve,

Please know that I agree with what you've said here.

As for the, "factory type papercutter," I have an opinion that I would like to share with the group.

For a T206 card, wouldn't the absence of a slightly rounded edge...on one side...the front, if I am not mistaken, be obvious? I have heard (actually, I have, "read" more often than heard) that they were cut in a way that left a telltale sign to look for when discerning whether a particular example had been trimmed.

Again, I am just trying to learn here. I have read a number of great articles on the subject. By far, the one which was most informative was written by someone whose name was credited as being David Cycleback...though I suspect that is a pseudonym...and might just be a fellow Board Member.

As stated, this is a question for the group, at large...and not aimed at you. Please feel free to ignore my post completely.

However, I would like to know everyone's thoughts on this and look forward to your replies.

Best Regards,

Eric

Yes, the biggest trait of an original cut is the slight rounding on the front and a corresponding ridge on the back. That's the difference that can be felt, no need for magnifiers or anything special.

That edge is a remnant of the sort of cutter used. And the rounding and ridge can vary depending on how sharp the blade was. Dull blades leave more rounding than sharp ones. To the point where a factory cut won't always pass grading.

But, and here's the catch. Nearly identical cutters are still the standard for most cutting. They've gotten fancier and more powerful, but they still have a clamping plate and a blade pushed through the stack with a bit of sideways motion. Comic backing boards are about the same thickness, and the ones I have have an edge that's exactly like a T206. I'm not positive that a card cut individually would have the same edge, but it's likely. And if the card was cut along with a stack of blank stock the same thickness I'm almost positive it would. Fortunately the cutters aren't cheap. And someone would have to have a friend with access in a place that allowed some experiments. Probably not happening with a common or two, but with a Wagner? As Scott said everyone likes a little more cash.

Steve B

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by steve B

Most trims are obvious. In fact they feel different, someone who was literally blind could be taught to detect them.

It's possible that a trimming done on a factory type papercutter might have the right sort of edge, and that would be a bit more challenging.

Steve B

Sure, once you've taken the card out of the holder. And if you can do it, the TPA's can do it before the card enters the holder

It must have something to do with money. According to research - everybody likes more cash.

[deadballfreaK]

I don't think I could tell if it was really well done, but my eyes are pretty weak these days. I mostly go in for cards in the VG range so not likely to get taken by a card you could shave with.

[glynparson]

Yes.

[bbcard1]

I think i could tell after close scrutiny, but I doubt I would look it closely if it were slabbed and if it were sold by a reputable dealer. I have always been gullible.

[JollyRoger]

I consider myself fairly knowledgeable when it comes to cards and detecting trimming. I also consider myself a decent handyman around the house, but I know my limits. Sometimes I have to give in and call on the professionals, and of course I expect them to do a good job at what I'm paying them to do. I think a lot of collectors feel that this is where TPGs are falling short.

[rainier2004]

So do the edges HAVE to be parallel? I had, and resold, a psa 4 card where the sides were not parallel equating to a slightly shorter top edge than bottom. I thought this always meant a trim, no further investigation needed. In this case all 4 corners were worn evenly, the edges all "matched", I was unable to look at the side of the card but everything looked ok and it was only a $100 card...no Wagners here. I thought this always meant it was trimmed as diamond cuts still have parallel edges, just not perpendicular. Am I wrong?

[Cardboard Junkie]

Yes, you are wrong. Search net54 "diamond cut" and FKW explains it well.Dave. Looking back I'm not really sure what you are asking. So you might be right....are you refering to a trapezoid shape??